Big Boy Stan Murf Posted September 10, 2023 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,027 Content Per Day: 4.80 Reputation: 279 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted September 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Neighbor said: but do so in a manner that has no love exhibited at all, and do so most likely in a manner that does more harm than good That's what they said about Jesus when he took that whip and under threat of bodily injury He ran the money changers out of the temple! You'll notice as you read thru the Gospels that Jesus was very polite in instructing those that did not know the Lord... but those who claimed to know the Lord and were teaching error, He was very rude to them! Interesting how this worked out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted September 10, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 952 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,573 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,054 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Seems to me sin  is a universal state of every man/woman since the first Adam, and is not a consequence of  any personal act of sin. Man is sin born of and in sin nature from conception within his mother's womb. As such very person is an abomination in the sight of God and is unacceptable, as He cannot abide sin. Therein is the irreconcilable problem for every human. Jesus alone overcame that insurmountable problem of man being sin, sin by nature of this fallen creation since Adam. All praise, all Glory, is to Jesus, who overcomes even the last enemy death. The glory is not to any church, church body, speaker, nor testimony of man. None the less God has commanded that all that have been called to their salvation are to share of it by giving testimony of Jesus, of His saving faith by which all that have been given Him by  his Father are saved out from the just wrath of God through the specific call  by the Holy Spirit.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boy Stan Murf Posted September 11, 2023 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,027 Content Per Day: 4.80 Reputation: 279 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2023 God's Word never says we were born sinners . . . it says we all fell short and sinned. None of us HAD to sin, and yet because of Adam's sin... sin came in to the world and came "upon" all of us as an opportunity to sin and we all chose to sin at some point in our lives On the flip side, thru Jesus righteousness has come "upon" all men to provide opportunity to be righteous thru Jesus Romans 5:12-19 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment CAME UPON all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift CAME UPON all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Each man is responsible for his own sin... we can see from Ezekiel 18:20 below that God is not holding us responsible for Adam's sin just because he sinned... God is hold us responsible for OUR own sin Ezekiel 18:20 Â The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted September 11, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,242 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,657 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2023 On 6/24/2023 at 10:32 AM, Sower said: You have got to get them lost before you can get them saved. (YES, only Jesus can save) Â And only the Holy Spirit can reveal their true condition to them. Â We don't have a clue what sin the Lord will put His spotlight on and should never try to nail the person on the one that we think is most glaring. Â That too is God's job. Â People usually just get in God's way and gum up the works when we try to convict--it usually comes across as condemnation and it is satan who condemns. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boy Stan Murf Posted September 11, 2023 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,027 Content Per Day: 4.80 Reputation: 279 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2023 26 minutes ago, Willa said: it is satan who condemns. Â Yes, and the Lord reveals to people when they have committed sin and have turned away from Him in to condemnation for the purpose of letting them know they are separated from Him and must confess and forsake their sin in order to have mercy (Proverbs 28:13, 1 John 1:9) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted September 11, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 952 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,573 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,054 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted September 11, 2023 3 hours ago, Willa said: And only the Holy Spirit can reveal their true condition to them.  We don't have a clue what sin the Lord will put His spotlight on and should never try to nail the person on the one that we think is most glaring.  That too is God's job.  People usually just get in God's way and gum up the works when we try to convict--it usually comes across as condemnation and it is satan who condemns.  Hi, Somehow that reminds me of a statement  a son made when he was about 11 years old. We had moved some 2800 miles to a new home and new church body. When I asked him about his thoughts on his new to him church group, he responded,"I really like it!" When I asked why he responded "Our old church taught what not to do, this church teaches what to do."  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boy Stan Murf Posted September 11, 2023 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,027 Content Per Day: 4.80 Reputation: 279 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted September 11, 2023 What not to do is as equally important as what to do. The Lord has left us many warnings and examples in His Word concerning what NOT to do, so it's part of God's wisdom and a part of our growing process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozart's Starling Posted September 12, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 268 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 219 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/18/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/27/1990 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Well the issue is modern culture interprets "love" as endless affirmation and praise of all one's desires and behaviors. That's a child's idea of love. If you love someone you guide them to the truth and correct them, gently, if you think they are heading to the wrong path. You don't kick someone you love off the proverbial cliff basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boy Stan Murf Posted September 12, 2023 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,027 Content Per Day: 4.80 Reputation: 279 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2023 And yet God's Word says we are not to tell folks like this "God bless you" because doing so make us partakers of their evil deeds! 2 John 1:9-11 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted September 13, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,133 Content Per Day: 7.07 Reputation: 13,086 Days Won: 97 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 13, 2023 On 9/10/2023 at 4:03 PM, Stan Murff said: That's what they said about Jesus when he took that whip and under threat of bodily injury He ran the money changers out of the temple! Who is "they?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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