Philologos Posted June 26, 2023 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 107 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 36 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/09/2022 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 26, 2023 12 minutes ago, other one said: Did you read what I wrote past your question. Jesus told us to be one with him as he is one with the Father.... So does that mean I am God too? And that's a subject for serious debate depending on one's definition of that word. I wasn’t questioning what you believe… merely asked how you deal with opposition to a specific situation. Thanks for joining in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted June 26, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,806 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Philologos said: Are you saying that the perspective of 3 being one is wrong, but seeing the 1 as 3 is correct? Wouldn’t we just be arguing the semantics and not really knowing any significant difference between the two? (maybe I misunderstood what you are actually thinking, sorry) It can be confusing coming across the internet and not talking in person. I am saying that this: The Father is God. The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God. BUT, not three separate Gods. The Father is not the Son nor vice versa. The Son is not the Holy Spirit nor vice versa and the Father is not the Holy Spirit nor vice versa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter and Deborah Posted June 26, 2023 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 14 Topic Count: 2,241 Topics Per Day: 0.50 Content Count: 4,366 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,030 Days Won: 3 Joined: 01/13/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/11/1947 Share Posted June 26, 2023 6-26-23 One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism One Lord one faith one baptism/scripture - Search (bing.com) Love, Walter and Debbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philologos Posted June 26, 2023 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 107 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 36 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/09/2022 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 26, 2023 8 minutes ago, Tony the student said: You ask about the Christians' perspective, which is also the precursor to one's spoken or written point of view. Take God's point of view which is revealed below in Scripture. Do not look at the world from a worldly view. Instead, take God's point of view. Two individuals can read the same verse and conclude they each have and know God’s point of view, yet see the complete opposite meaning, or, at least foreign from the other’s point of view. There are differing points of view, but not all are God’s. I’m not asking for God’s thought process on why He kept saying “one” and we keep saying “three.” It’s not scripture or doctrine I’m looking for, I’m not asking to be taught about the trinity- I’m asking for thought processes related to why we focus on either the individuals of the trinity and why some focus on the One even though they may believe the same doctrine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted June 26, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,127 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,855 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Philologos said: I wasn’t questioning what you believe… merely asked how you deal with opposition to a specific situation. Thanks for joining in! Discuss what the word God/god in Hebrew and Greek means.... and what Jesus meant by calling them one. It doesn't mean one in the same, but one as a unit. When they want to make them the same thing, explain that Moses Arron and 72 others saw the God of Israel (Yahweh) and Jesus told us that no one had seen the Father. So they are not the same. Our being one is the connection through the Holy Spirit. I do my best to get folks away from the Western idea of God being one entity. A persons God can be anything. Satan teaches that we are our own Gods... Some folks God is money, or wealth. Almost anything can be a persons god.... To us it is the three of what we conveniently call the Trinity... because one has to have all three to have any of them at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philologos Posted June 26, 2023 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 107 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 36 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/09/2022 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 26, 2023 1 hour ago, other one said: to get folks away from the Western idea of God being one entity. I agree that when Moses stated “God is One,” he did not use the number one, rather the word that means (basically) united as one. But Jesus said “the Father and I are one.” The snippet I pulled from your response almost directly conflicts with scripture- I’m not stating that you are wrong, I’m just wondering… if scripture says Father/son/Holy Spirit are one, why do we still speak of three separate entities? Yes, father, son, and Holy Spirit are three… but their own testimony is that they are ‘one.’ The scripture does not emphasize the teaching of a triune God, but does emphasize His oneness. I really just want to know what is it that makes us focus on proving He’s a trinity and why we have to always intentionally speak of Him as three as if it were required for us to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted June 27, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,127 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,855 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 27, 2023 3 hours ago, Philologos said: I agree that when Moses stated “God is One,” he did not use the number one, rather the word that means (basically) united as one. But Jesus said “the Father and I are one.” The snippet I pulled from your response almost directly conflicts with scripture- I’m not stating that you are wrong, I’m just wondering… if scripture says Father/son/Holy Spirit are one, why do we still speak of three separate entities? Yes, father, son, and Holy Spirit are three… but their own testimony is that they are ‘one.’ The scripture does not emphasize the teaching of a triune God, but does emphasize His oneness. I really just want to know what is it that makes us focus on proving He’s a trinity and why we have to always intentionally speak of Him as three as if it were required for us to do. In the same fashion how are we supposed to be one with them. Just saying that considering everything, he's not saying that he and the father are the same thing. Actually the Father isn't even thhe "God" that interfaced with Moses and Abraham. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LearningToLetGo Posted June 27, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 37 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 717 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 660 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/21/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 27, 2023 In computer science you can have data and then a pointer to data. In fact, you can have multiple pointers to the same underlying data. Each pointer points to the same thing. The thing is not accessed directly but is referenced via its pointer(s). Perhaps we're dealing with something similar. Maybe God, whatever his ultimate form, is sufficiently abstract as to be incomprehensible to our minds, hence we have easier to conceptualize "pointers" that point to the underlying truth, each in their own unique way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philologos Posted June 27, 2023 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 107 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 36 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/09/2022 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 27, 2023 10 hours ago, other one said: he's not saying that he and the father are the same thing Actually, he was. Yes, he was born of a woman, that’s what made him a man(and separate from his father); but, as Spirit, he never ‘disconnected’ from God. He was still God when He entered Jesus- his glorified body and His spirit (as God) merged- they literally became one. The purpose for us is different- Jesus spent his life preparing to hold the seven spirits of God (see Isaiah & Revelation)… His body became a part of God so that God could become part of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted June 27, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 201 Topics Per Day: 0.37 Content Count: 3,427 Content Per Day: 6.23 Reputation: 2,283 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Share Posted June 27, 2023 21 hours ago, Jayne said: It can be confusing coming across the internet and not talking in person. I am saying that this: The Father is God. The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God. BUT, not three separate Gods. The Father is not the Son nor vice versa. The Son is not the Holy Spirit nor vice versa and the Father is not the Holy Spirit nor vice versa. But then there's some verses like Isaiah 9:6 which says "And He shall be called . . . Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" etc. And 1st Corinthians 15:45 "The Last Adam became a life-giving Spirit." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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