When Does A Christian Become Immortality/Born Again?

[Walter and Deborah]

Thursday 7-6-23 5th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Tammuz 17 5783, 16th. Summer Day

Hello, I have been thinking about the OP and the different posts, but have not received any revelation on what Jesus was talking about to Nicodemus. But I'm glad to have an understanding of these views on this thread and more on other site forums.

I was looking at: It is by scripture we as Christians are not Born Again until we are caught up to be with Christ 1 Thessalonians 4:17, and 1 Corinthians 15:51-58

But here are some views from Bing:
In Christianity, being born again means having a spiritual renewal or change of heart by accepting Jesus as the Savior and Lord. It is not about physical birth or external requirements, but about receiving salvation and becoming part of God’s family1.

The phrase “born again” is frequently misinterpreted. Looking at its primary reference, we see that its meaning is not about physical birth, but about experiencing a spiritual renewal. It is an expression used by many Protestants to define the moment or process of fully accepting faith in Jesus Christ. It is an experience when the teachings of Christianity and Jesus become real, and the “born again” acquire a personal relationship with God2.

Also, we will be in prayer about this process.
 

 

Bible Gateway passage: John 3:3-8, Colossians 1:15-18, Romans 8:29, Revelation 1:5, 1 Corinthians 15:50, Galatians 4:26, 2 John 1, 2 John 13, Revelation 12:1-5, Hebrews 12:23, Malachi 3:1 - King James Version

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say...

 

Love, Walter And Debbie

Edited July 6, 2023 by Walter and Deborah

[Vine Abider]

I'll fire off a quick one here as I'm going out the door, and can provide scripture references later.  New birth is the Spirit of Christ coming into us to enliven our deadened human spirit. Nothing happens without this new life coming into us.  It is Christ in us, and through this we receive actual sonship of God's life, not just legal adoption.

Everything in the new covenant, and as put forth in the new testament for us to be transformed into His image, is thereby predicated upon this new birth/life in us.  We receive a new life . . . God's eternal, zoe (Greek) life!

So the moment we accept Christ, His life comes into us and starts operating.

Does that start to begin to commence to answer the OP? 

[Marathoner]

7 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

I'll fire off a quick one here as I'm going out the door, and can provide scripture references later.  New birth is the Spirit of Christ coming into us to enliven our deadened human spirit. Nothing happens without this new life coming into us.  It is Christ in us, and through this we receive actual sonship of God's life, not just legal adoption.

Everything in the new covenant, and as put forth in the new testament for us to be transformed into His image, is thereby predicated upon this new birth/life in us.  We receive a new life . . . God's eternal, zoe (Greek) life!

So the moment we accept Christ, His life comes into us and starts operating.

Does that start to begin to commence to answer the OP? 

Indeed. I rambled a bit in a different topic touching upon this very thing, brother. 

Being a recipient of the Lord's discipline, which was intense and rather hard when I was young and clueless, is a scriptural confirmation (Hebrews 12:6) of this life which the Lord Himself gave to me. This is that work which Christ started in us and so, being confirmed by the discipline of God, is further confirmation that He is faithful to complete that work (Philippians 1:6). 

Having endured hard things is how the Lord prepared me for that work He ordained for me to walk in (Ephesians 2:10), which is simple: by virtue of those hard things and the terror of mistakenly believing that I was abandoned by Him, I was encouraged by the Lord in a manner which surpasses my paltry words in this post. He continues to encourage me in the same way every day so whenever I encounter a brother or sister struggling with hard and even terrifying things, they're the reason why the Lord was pleased to have me endure in this world. Questions and fears regarding salvation and being born again are commonplace during those dark times. 

So, I say that by virtue of suffering and tribulation on this earth, being the recipients of the Lord's faithful discipline, we know that we are sons and daughters of the Most High. Tribulation? Yes, read Acts 14. It is through much tribulation that we enter the Kingdom of God.  

[SpiritSong]

What about the thief on the cross who Jesus promised paradise to the very day they were crucified together?

[Vine Abider]

8 hours ago, SpiritSong said:

What about the thief on the cross who Jesus promised paradise to the very day they were crucified together?

It was a matter of simple faith I think. Can you be more specific?

[SpiritSong]

2 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

It was a matter of simple faith I think. Can you be more specific?

At which moment did he become born again and receive Christ's Spirit? He received no baptism of water or of fire, he did speak in tongues or demonstrate any operation in the gifts of the Spirit. Just asking with regards to the OP

[Vine Abider]

51 minutes ago, SpiritSong said:

At which moment did he become born again and receive Christ's Spirit? He received no baptism of water or of fire, he did speak in tongues or demonstrate any operation in the gifts of the Spirit. Just asking with regards to the OP

You do bring up an interesting point, and I don't know what the mechanics were.  Could be a special one-off case where the Lord made some exception to "the rule." But who knows!?

[SpiritSong]

52 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

You do bring up an interesting point, and I don't know what the mechanics were.  Could be a special one-off case where the Lord made some exception to "the rule." But who knows!?

The Word does say that all those who call on the Name shall be saved. Maybe that's all it takes? No other name higher 🙌

[Vine Abider]

3 minutes ago, SpiritSong said:

The Word does say that all those who call on the Name shall be saved. Maybe that's all it takes? No other name higher 🙌

Yes, that is stated in a few places!