A dark period was prophesied by Jesus, a time of spiritual famine and of hearing the words of God

[Stewardofthemystery]

Jesus predicted a time of darkness was coming when no man could work in John 9:4.
 

Jesus also said the time would come when the children of the bridegroom would be fasting when He was taken from them in Mark 2:19-20.

We are told in the Old testament that there was to come a famine, not of food but of hearing the words of God in Amos 8:11-12 ...

11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:
12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it."

Now one could take that to mean that “not hearing” the words of God could mean not “comprehending or not understanding” the words of God. But it could also mean a time like a dry spell, of men not hearing the audible voice of God; as did the Old Testament prophets.

This has happened before, as we are told there was a period of time where the word of the Lord was precious and there was no open vision in 1 Samuel 3:1 “And the child Samuel ministered unto the Lord before Eli. And the word of the Lord was precious in those days; there was no open vision."

And I believe this is what Jesus was talking about when he said to the people, that they would seek one of the days of the Son of man, and shall not see it in Luke 17:22-24 “22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.”

Notice Jesus says His coming is not limited to a single individual claiming to speak as Christ, or for Christ; Jesus warned against this in the above verses.

Paul said in 1 Corinthians 13:9-10 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.” 


I believe this time of spiritual famine and this period of darkness would include God not directly speaking to men with an audible voice as He did with the old testament prophets and apostles. These men were individually sent by God, and commanded to speak the words given them by God.

This does not mean the gifts of God have ceased, it just means God would be silent during this dark period of time from speaking by commandment to men.

It is important to make this distinction of men speaking by the commandment of God,and men speaking by understanding and wisdom given to them by the Holy Spirit into what is already written.

A person can be anointed by God’s Spirit and have Christ dwelling in them, and be a chosen minister of God; but it does not mean everything they speak is by commandment from God. Paul gives us a good example of this when on certain topics Paul said he spoke by permission and not of commandment in 1 Corinthians 7:6. 

And just because someone claims, or feels like God has spoken to them, and that they believe they were sent by God, it does not necessarily make it so. We are told to try the spirits. As Jesus warned many would come in His name and claim to be speaking in the person of Christ.
 

We were also warned that many false prophets would come into the world and also deceive many.

In the scriptures we see God audibly speaking to certain men and commanding them to go to a certain people or place, God sending them personally. And God also commanded them to speak the words He gave to them to speak. Though many may claim to be speaking by the command of God, I do not see this happening today, nor for a long time now.

That’s not to say that God does not send forth His Spirit in the name of Christ, and also send forth ministering spirits to guide His people during this dark period and time of spiritual famine. As that is what God was showing in a similitude of guiding the children of Israel in the wilderness, by day with the pillar of a cloud, and by night in the pillar of fire.

Just as it is written, He makes His angels spirits, and His ministers a flame of fire. After being illuminated by the Holy Spirit we are called to be lights in a dark world; but that does not mean everything we say is directly spoken from the mouth of God by commandment. 

And so, even though there was a dark period and a time of famine of hearing the words of God as prophesied by the prophets and Jesus; I believe there is also a time when God’s silence shall be broken, as is written in Isaiah 42:13-14 

13 The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.”

We are told in Joel 3:16 and Amos 1:2that “The Lord will roar from Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem;”

When we are told that God shall utter His voice from Jerusalem, I believe it also means God shall utter His voice from the mouth of His people, whom He refers to as Jerusalem, and as Zion, and as the holy city. 

This is when God’s people shall speak with a unified voice, like the sound of many waters. Isaiah 52:8-10
 

8 Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice together shall they sing: for they shall see eye to eye, when the Lord shall bring again Zion.9 Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the Lord hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem.10 The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.”

The second coming of Christ is also the second coming of the Word of God, and not only does He come with his saints, but He also comes “in”all His saints; like Living waters “in”the clouds of heaven. 

Peace and God bless

[Shilohsfoal]

Mark 2

¹⁹ And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.

²⁰ But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.

 

 

I've always felt Jesus was talking about his death and burial.Thats when he was taken from his disciples.That is when they would have fasted.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Luke 12:35-37

King James Version

35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;

36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.

37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.”

[R. Hartono]

Its the falling away time now as Paul has said it.

[garee]

I would suggest the time period spoken of in Amos .( Amos 8:10-12) using two witnes to reprent sola scritura  the word of God  Mankind wil be loosed to build another abomination of desolation a stone temple made with human hands  

Revelation 20 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

He is in chains. Satan fell at the renting of the veil. He could no longer deceive all the nations that God is a Jewish man as King of kings  some today are getting materials ready . . 

[DeighAnn]

On 7/24/2023 at 10:53 AM, Stewardofthemystery said:

Jesus predicted a time of darkness was coming when no man could work in John 9:4.

 Metaphorically the time when work ceases, the time of death as in 

 John 9:4 when we READ IT PRECEPT ON PRECEPT VERSE BY VERSE

1And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.

2And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

3Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

4I must work the works of Him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

5As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
 

So, WE WORK while we are IN THE WORLD, but once we die, WE REST from our labors.  
 

On 7/24/2023 at 10:53 AM, Stewardofthemystery said:

Jesus also said the time would come when the children of the bridegroom would be fasting when He was taken from them in Mark 2:19-20.

How is it you make the leap from 

16And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?

17When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

18And the disciples of John and of the Pharisees used to fast: and they come and say unto him, Why do the disciples of John and of the Pharisees fast, but thy disciples fast not?

19And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.

20But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.

21No man also seweth a piece of new cloth on an old garment: else the new piece that filled it up taketh away from the old, and the rent is made worse.

22And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.

3522. nésteuó ►
Strong's Concordance
nésteuó: to fast
Original Word: νηστεύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: nésteuó
Phonetic Spelling: (nace-tyoo'-o)
Definition: to fast
Usage: I fast, abstain from food.

νηστεύω; future νηστεύσω; 1 aorist (infinitive νηστεῦσαι (Luke 5:34 T WH Tr text)), participle νηστεύσας; (from νῆστις, which see); to fast (Vulg. and ecclesiastical writingsjejano), i. e. to abstain as a religious exercise from food and drink: either entirely, if the fast lasted but a single day, Matthew 6:16-18; Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18-20; Luke 5:33,(); ; Acts 10:30 R G; Acts 13:2,(); or from customary and choice nourishment, if it continued several days, Matthew 4:2, cf. Matthew 11:18; νηστευει συνεχῶς καί ἄρτον ἐσθίει μόνον μετά ἁλατος καί τό πότον αὐτοῦ ὕδωρ, Acta Thom. § 20. (Aristophanes, Plutarch, mor., p. 626f; Aelian v. h. 5, 20; (Josephus, contra Apion 1, 34, 5 (where see Müller)); the Sept. for צוּן.)


to "A dark period was prophesied by Jesus, a time of spiritual famine and of hearing the words of God".   

and connect it to
We are told in the Old testament that there was to come a famine, not of food but of hearing the words of God in Amos 8:11-12 ...

11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:
12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it."


 

On 7/24/2023 at 10:53 AM, Stewardofthemystery said:

Now one could take that to mean that “not hearing” the words of God could mean not “comprehending or not understanding” the words of God. But it could also mean a time like a dry spell, of men not hearing the audible voice of God; as did the Old Testament prophets.

EXCEPT FOR

14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


I disagree with your 'conclusions' from the Scriptures you are using as to the topic of the thread, at least up to this point.  I'll leave the rest of your post without a read, as it's foundation is flawed until/unless you can clear these things up.  

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

37 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 I disagree with your 'conclusions' from the Scriptures you are using as to the topic of the thread, at least up to this point.  I'll leave the rest of your post without a read, as it's foundation is flawed until/unless you can clear these things up.  

 

There is a reason you disagree…

John 3:11

Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

[Stewardofthemystery]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

 when we READ IT PRECEPT ON PRECEPT VERSE BY VERSE

 

 

2And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

3Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

4I must work the works of Him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

5As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
 

So, WE WORK while we are IN THE WORLD, but once we die, WE REST from our labors.  
 

How is it you make the leap from 

16And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?

17When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

18And the disciples of John and of the Pharisees used to fast: and they come and say unto him, Why do the disciples of John and of the Pharisees fast, but thy disciples fast not?

19And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.

20But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.

21No man also seweth a piece of new cloth on an old garment: else the new piece that filled it up taketh away from the old, and the rent is made worse.

22And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.

3522. nésteuó ►
Strong's Concordance
nésteuó: to fast
Original Word: νηστεύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: nésteuó
Phonetic Spelling: (nace-tyoo'-o)
Definition: to fast
Usage: I fast, abstain from food.

νηστεύω; future νηστεύσω; 1 aorist (infinitive νηστεῦσαι (Luke 5:34 T WH Tr text)), participle νηστεύσας; (from νῆστις, which see); to fast (Vulg. and ecclesiastical writingsjejano), i. e. to abstain as a religious exercise from food and drink: either entirely, if the fast lasted but a single day, Matthew 6:16-18; Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18-20; Luke 5:33,(); ; Acts 10:30 R G; Acts 13:2,(); or from customary and choice nourishment, if it continued several days, Matthew 4:2, cf. Matthew 11:18; νηστευει συνεχῶς καί ἄρτον ἐσθίει μόνον μετά ἁλατος καί τό πότον αὐτοῦ ὕδωρ, Acta Thom. § 20. (Aristophanes, Plutarch, mor., p. 626f; Aelian v. h. 5, 20; (Josephus, contra Apion 1, 34, 5 (where see Müller)); the Sept. for צוּן.)


to "A dark period was prophesied by Jesus, a time of spiritual famine and of hearing the words of God".   

and connect it to
We are told in the Old testament that there was to come a famine, not of food but of hearing the words of God in Amos 8:11-12 ...

11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:
12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it."


 

EXCEPT FOR

14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


I disagree with your 'conclusions' from the Scriptures you are using as to the topic of the thread, at least up to this point.  I'll leave the rest of your post without a read, as it's foundation is flawed until/unless you can clear these things up.  

 

I noticed you like repeating that saying “precept upon precept” not understanding what the Lord is saying ….

Isaiah 28:13

But the word of the Lord “was unto them” precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and “fall backward,”and “be broken,”and “snared,”and “taken.”

 

The reason they would fall is because they were taught by the “precept of men” and not by God.

 

Isaiah 29:13

Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by “the precept of men:”

 

 

Isaiah 29:10-14

King James Version

 

¹⁰ For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

¹¹ And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

¹² And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

¹³ Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

¹⁴ Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid”

 

 

[DeighAnn]

5 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

I noticed you like repeating that saying “precept upon precept” not understanding what the Lord is saying ….

Isaiah 28:13

But the word of the Lord “was unto them” precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and “fall backward,”and “be broken,”and “snared,”and “taken.”

 

The reason they would fall is because they were taught by the “precept of men” and not by God.

 

Isaiah 29:13

Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by “the precept of men:”

 

 

Isaiah 29:10-14

King James Version

 

¹⁰ For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

¹¹ And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

¹² And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

¹³ Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

¹⁴ Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid”

 

 

 you are 100% mistaken.  If after reading this reply you still don't understand, let me know and I'll break it down EVEN MORE for you so you can. 

It will be interesting to see how you follow up. 


So going back JUST A COUPLE VERSES

from the 'SARCASTIC/MOCKING/THEY ALREADY KNOW IT ALL' REPLY of THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SUPPOSED TO RECEIVE IT





we find THE TRUTH....


9Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine?

Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

10For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

11For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. (NO DOUBT you are aware of MOSES or are you??)
 

12To whom he said,

This is THE REST wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest;

and this is THE REFRESHING 

yet they would not hear.


Did you get that?  THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT EITHER.  THEY WOULD NOT HEAR.  THEY WANTED TO DO IT THEIR WAY BUT THEIR WAY DOESN'T TURN OUT VERY WELL, DOES IT?


THE ATTITUDE OF THOSE WHO WERE TAUGHT BY THE PRECEPTS OF MEN

REPEATED IT BACK IN A MOCKING WAYS

13But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;

AND THOSE WHO DO MOCK IT, AND DO NOT LEARN THE WORDS OF GOD IN THE MANNER PRESCRIBED, DON'T FIND THE REST, THEY DON'T FIND THE REFRESHING

BUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM IS WHAT IS HAPPENING TO YOU RIGHT NOW

that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

But don't trust me, GO SEEK THIS TRUTH OUT FOR YOURSELF. 

And as soon as you do, do the right thing and ERASE THIS THREAD.   YOU should have PM'd me rather than have FALSELY accused me of having been taught by the precept of MEN.  



 

[DeighAnn]

6 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

There is a reason you disagree…

John 3:11

Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

I rest my case.