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Thanks. . .Tags as parables? Without tags the signified understanding as a figure of speech called parables. Christ the Holy Spirit of God "spoke not" Hiding the gospel understanding from the literalist Literalizing the spiritual understanding . . the mysteries of faith remain mysteries he gives the wisdom needed to solve. Parables are designed to teach us the unseen things of God (walk by faith his not of our own fleshly understanding. Tags do not change the simplicity of God working saving mankind but to enrich or give a deeper understanding if one searches as for silver or gold .

I don't think Philippians 1.6 is a good dividing line. . It's writen to those who have eternal life (OSAS) He is our eternal confidence. . if he began the good teaching work all will pass even the slow learner like myself who wished he studied and raised his hand rather than hating teachers . I love my wife ... LOL...... I do. He is still working in us, teaching us, guiding comforting and bringing to our memory the former things (John 14) Just as in the same way he brings into memory that of each other . . the same family. It could be a warning to those who murrur like Jonas that wanted to die thinking other were not worthy to be saved. Jesus did the will of the father with delight. Philippians 1:6 mixed with Philippians 2: God looks upon the heart strengthening it to do the good pleasure of His will . His will is not served by human .hands as a will Philippians 2:13-14 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings

I would offer from a Amil position .The white robes in that parable represent born again believers from all the nations of the world . The Revelation 20 parable adds to the signified understanding of parables of chapter 7 . . the kind of hermeneutic in the opening of the book verse 1 Christ both inspired and signified it . called it hidden manna (what is it?) in 2:17 In the Revelation 20 parable I would begin with verse three giving purpose context "he should deceive the nations no more" Seeing Revelation is from the standpoint of the last day under the Sun it looks back to Genesis. Genesis the foundation looked ahead the plagues written in Revelation the plagues spoken of are from all the generations under the Sun It becomes when did he fall what was the sign? the shim of circummsion. I would ask? How was he deceiving all the nations at the same time?. whatever it was it promises to return for a short while and again deceive all the nations of the world. Revelation 20: 3-6 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. In my search I believe I have found something worth looking at. The restoring of the government of God(government of faith believing a unseen God. Reformation. Presently they were temporally under the government of men used as a parable for the time previous when Kings were in Israel.the abomination of desolation making desolate our one King of kings our father in heaven in exchange for a fleshly king The renting of the veil by God from the top (heavenward) to the bottom (earthward) representing the flesh of the Son of man Jesus signified in another parable ass a figure of speech as our bloody husband Christ because of circumcision. When the veil was rent thier was no Jewish King of king sitting in the holy of holies ,Satan could no longer deceive all the nation God is a Jewish man as King of kings (a pagan foundation . . . out of sight out of mind as in who believes in a god not seen fairy tales ? God calls them fools

I think the idea which you offered "you don't understand what the Bible is" makes up Papal authority as false apostles bringing false prophecy (oral tradition) . . therefore taking away the written authority of God giving it over to the oral tradition of dying mankind Popes, called "daysman"seen in Job 9 in a attempt at making dying mankind into the God . God is not a invisible man. Daysman a fleshly infalible interterpeter set between temporal man seen and eternal God not seen. . with the seal of approval of both . thou shall not surely die the voice of the daysman / Job 9:32-34 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Neither is there any daysman (Pope) betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.

I would agree except for the idea of angels (a fake word) that some used to replace "messenger" the true definition of the Greek word "Angelos" bringing prophecy. . apostles. . beautiful feet. . . In that way we are made aware of the wiles of the devil The third heaven the bosom of father of all the nations of the world. . the source or storeroom of Christ's faith the power of God unto salvation the gospel , the place he sends his messages from . . . the invisible things of God .

You might of missed it. The Amil position causes less confusion nothing disappears and then reappears. In the last days signaled by the renting of the veil (sign of circumcision) signified by a thousand years on the last day under the Sun. Christ will leave this corrupted planet like a thief in the night Abel the apostles, messenger. . prophet sent by God is the first listed witness that died . Dying did not make him a witness his witness was living for Christ. Living sacrifices not dead never to rise .Many witnesses (martyrs') die natural causes each day .Death it's the one appointment all men make Matthew 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. All witness eventually die . The word martyr with no other meaning added witness which some have to cause some sort of pecking order . Throughout that into the mix of changing the meaning of the words. . another word made to no effect "apostle". . meaning messenger with no other meaning that some call angel. Not highly venerable ones that lord it over the show watchers non venerable .The kingdom of God is not of this world no pecking order other than to represent that not seen as a shadow of good things to come . In the end of the matter looking to create a pecking order of dying mankind using four words to change the authority (martyr, apostle, prophet messenger ) remove one the foundation collapse . . given it over to the oral traditons of dying mankind (law of the fathers) .Pharisees with Sadducees. Needed to create what they call a legion of martyrs the key of creating what are called patron saint. . anti christs another teaching authority. . false prophets as false apostles. Most likely it began with Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox putting aside their difference passed on from the Pharisees with Sadducees . . two sects that venerate the dying flesh of mankind worshiping venerating witnesses rather that the work of the Holy father not seen In that way they refuse to obey the loving commandment not to call any many on earth Holy Father one is in heaven. No Pope.. . no legion of martyrs as patron saints (3500 and rising .Again its appointed for all witnesses die once

Hi again thanks for the reply There is no other meaning then what appears it's not a parable. Whosoever does the will of God the same is the Son on man Jesus's brother and sister and mother . The bride of Christ made up of sons of God Jesus the first born again of many. She the bride the church is called the mother of us all .What we will be when we receive our new incorruptible body is not revealed .There will be no procreating, no aging leading toward death . . When Jesus said a man (creation ) must be born again as a new creature he was not excusing his own flesh and blood . Call no man on earth father the spiritual family of God many gods as sons of God You said"Jesus IS God. God's Son, in fact. Jesus cannot be God if he is the son . The ministry is two working by one. . the Son seen. . empowered by the father not seen The faithless Pharisees accused the Son of man Jesus of blasphemy declaring a mere man claiming to be God. Jesu as the firstborn again of many gods as sons . John 10:34-36 King James Version Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods,(plural small g) unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

One thing I have noticed is the use of the word "martyr" some use it as a division The word with no other meaning addied is "witness " All believer eventually die . Creating a special class is not a biblical idea .All suffer persecution day and night the accuser of the brethren how they die has no influence. The thousands year is a unknown. Thousand a signified word with a hidden meaning. It is not only used with the time elemnt but everything of Christian . For instance God owns all the cattle on all the hills thousand represent a unknow we walk by the unknown revealed in parables .they teach us how to walk after the unseen eternal things of God The number of references that show a thousand as a figure of speech to indicate a unknown not revealed is overwhelming. Psalm 50:10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. Psalm 84:10 For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness. Psalm 105:8He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand (every) generations. Psalm 119:72 The law of thy mouth is better unto me than thousands (all) of gold and silver.

Just as Jesus declared the temple made with human hand as a will desolate when he walked out for the last time.(the abomination of desolation Kings in Israel ) Luke 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Right before the last day under the Sun satan will be loosed to again try and deceive the whole word God is the Jewish King of kings .The 1 st century reformation came .The veil was rent .there was no King of Kings Lord of lords sitting in the holy of holies God is not a man . Its appointed for all of mankind to die once. One judgement for mankind . No double jeopardy .

It would sure seem that way .

The interpretation is self interpreting .its was Jesus that calls us His brothers and sisters . What kind of support would make you approval? It would appear many look to the temporal demonstration of God using the temporal things seen dying flesh and blood to show the invisible power of God in creation. . and not what the demonstration as a shadow points to the cross or symbol . The Lamb of God literally slain from the foundation of the world the six days the father did work before he rested eternally . One demonstration of the work Christ labor of love that has been finished is all that was promised. God is not a man .

Good point. What constitutes the wrath? Seeing mankind is under it daily living in bodies of death and believers load is made lighter by the daily bread from our father By looking at Genesis it the increased wrath came about as a "increased load". Not designed for the believer Abel the martyr. The load that caused Cain to suffer the pangs of hell unto death all the days of his life. . a restless wanderer .No early parole kicked out of Eden the city of God's pleasure Genesis 4:8-13 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper? And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. The increased load. . no extra burdens for those yoked with Christ . .he gives us a the daily bread of forgiveness. Genesis 4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark (666 unconverted mankind ) upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. Like if you kill him its no parole for them great heavy tribulation loads. The Mark of Cain (666) the mark what God says comes to pass again no early parole

A cure for racism in America preach the gospel ..the power of God unto salvation . Close your eyes go color blind for Jesus . Called the new Heinz 57, variety caught up raptured 2 Corinthians 5:15-17 King James Version And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

In proverbs women are used to represent the whole church (Mankind) She honors her husband Christ Thanks the wise woman represent the bride of Christ the church as the wisdom of God . The quarrelsome represents the father of lies the strange woman. (the female deity) .The introduction to his and hers gods called the queen of heavens two opposing wisdoms.Light and dark

Exactly the Amil works the best Those who teach now you see them now you do not now they are back . When does the believer receive the new incorruptible bodies that will never die or grow old. .Those no longer under the Sun that all die not receiving not even knowing what they will be as sons of God ? Will they be in the new incorruptible bodies when raptured or still in thier corrupted flesh and blood that could never enter heaven . Where do the bodies of flesh go when some disappear and then return ? 1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is