Seeing the abomination of desolation from a distance

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, Diaste said:

I didn't say that. I said the ability and opportunity for the whole world to see the A of D will exist via cell phone. Cell phones are carried everywhere by most people.

It's estimated cell phone users will increase to 7.5 billion by 2025.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/218984/number-of-global-mobile-users-since-2010/

Cell phones will probably be the platform for the beast and FPs message as well.

I expect many will see the smoke of her burning.

Revelation 18:18

When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, ‘Was there ever a city like this great city?

 

But I think the point Jesus was making is when you see the abomination placed in Jerusalem,then them which are in judea will flee to the mountains.

Them which are in the fields and on the housetops will see it and flee.It will be the time of God's wrath upon that people.

 

zech 14

⁵ And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

 

According to revelation 11,a cloud will ascend into heaven from Jerusalem on that day and a great earthquake will strike the city.

 

revelation 11

 

¹² And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

¹³ And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 8/5/2023 at 2:14 PM, Retrobyter said:

For many shall come in my name, saying, 'I am Christ';

 

Afterwards still many came claiming to be Christ,
still today I think there is a guy in Russia with a community of people
and himself saying he is Christ. Also a preacher in Asia I think,
there are a few today if I am not mistaken.
We can also remember people such as David Koresh and his followers,
surely the Lord was forewarning even the 50 or so people
fooled by him. Clearly the prophecy extends into our times.
 

Around 70ad, yes, they should have ran to Pella.

Around 1090 during the crusades, every single person
in Jerusalem should have fled, when they saw or heard about the armies coming.

Around 1967 half of Jerusalem was literally desolate because people did flee.
Since then the land has been a place of constant struggle and terrorism,
only some live in semi ease, with bars and gates and solders guarding their communities.

The words Jesus spoke are divine, applying throughout time, until He returns.
And they are specifically connected to Daniel's prophecy:

"Seventy captivities are determined upon thy people and upon they holy city.."
Daniel 9:24

We can see 4 of them in time: Babylonian, 70, 1099, 1967.

And His words are connected to Ezekiel's prophecy:

"Come from the four winds Oh breath of life,
and breath upon these slain that they may live
and they stood upon their feet an exceedingly great army."
Ezekiel 37:9-10

"He shall send forth His angels with the sound of a trumpet
and they shall gather together His chosen ones,
from the four winds"
Matthew 24:31

Israel's final restoration, is from even death,
the Lord returns with a shout and resurrects all of righteous Israel,
David, Isaiah, Job and the like. Psalm 16:10, Isaiah 26:19, Job 19:26.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air

"And the armies in the sky followed Him on white horses"
Rev 19:14

"For the Lord shall utter His voice before His army...
the day of the Lord is great and very terrible"
Joel 2:11

"the rest were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the horse,
which sword proceeded from His mouth"
Rev 19:21

"To you who are troubled rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from the sky
with His holy angels, in flaming fire taking
vengeance on them that know not God,
and that obey not the good news of our Lord Jesus Christ."

2 Thess 1:7-10

And also in that passage we see that the good news of Jesus Christ,
is something to be obeyed.

Matthew 5 through 7, Luke 6:27-49,  Luke 4:18 - 21
To those trying to keep 600 laws everyday,
having to just be concerned with mainly loving their neighbor,
is good news. 

 

 

 

 

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 8/4/2023 at 8:04 AM, Shilohsfoal said:

Jesus is not telling them to run.

Jesus saying that is when those in judea will flee.

 

"Then let them which be in Judae flee into the mountains
Let him which is on the housetop not come down
to take anything out of his house:
Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes"
Matthew 24:16-18

"In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house,
let him not come down to take his stuff:
and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
Remember Lot's wife."

Luke 17:31-32

 

"While they lingered, the angels took them by the hands
and set them outside of the city"

"And it came to pass when the angels had brought Lot
and his wife and daughters out, that he said,
Escape for thy life; look not behind thee,
neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain,
lest thou be consumed"

In other words; run, for your life, don't look back.

"But his wife looked back from behind him,
and she became a pillar of salt"
Genesis 19:15-26

[Retrobyter]

On 8/6/2023 at 7:33 AM, Shilohsfoal said:

I expect many will see the smoke of her burning.

Revelation 18:18

When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, ‘Was there ever a city like this great city?

 

But I think the point Jesus was making is when you see the abomination placed in Jerusalem,then them which are in judea will flee to the mountains.

Them which are in the fields and on the housetops will see it and flee.It will be the time of God's wrath upon that people.

 

zech 14

⁵ And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

 

According to revelation 11,a cloud will ascend into heaven from Jerusalem on that day and a great earthquake will strike the city.

 

revelation 11

 

¹² And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

¹³ And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Shalom, Shilohsfoal.

You DO know that there's a difference between fleeing to the mountains and fleeing to the VALLEY of the mountains, right?

One MUST read the REST of the prophecy and take a statement like that IN CONTEXT for one to understand where the prophetic statement fits in the future history.

This is the same nonsense that happens when one tries to look up "abomination of desolation" and gets all the other phrases that use one word of the phrase of a recombination of the words in different number or tense, and tries to say that they all refer to the same event in future history! They just DON'T!

The biblical prophets did not use labels, like we do today. When they use the words, "abomination" or "desolation" or "desolate" (actually, the Hebrew words so translated), they mean them as one would use any common word in conversation.

One should NOT just look for certain words or phrases, particularly in English, to find passages that weave together to tell more of the future historical account.

 

[Retrobyter]

1 hour ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

 

Afterwards still many came claiming to be Christ,
still today I think there is a guy in Russia with a community of people
and himself saying he is Christ. Also a preacher in Asia I think,
there are a few today if I am not mistaken.
We can also remember people such as David Koresh and his followers,
surely the Lord was forewarning even the 50 or so people
fooled by him. Clearly the prophecy extends into our times.
 

Around 70ad, yes, they should have ran to Pella.

Around 1090 during the crusades, every single person
in Jerusalem should have fled, when they saw or heard about the armies coming.

Around 1967 half of Jerusalem was literally desolate because people did flee.
Since then the land has been a place of constant struggle and terrorism,
only some live in semi ease, with bars and gates and solders guarding their communities.

The words Jesus spoke are divine, applying throughout time, until He returns.
And they are specifically connected to Daniel's prophecy:

Shalom, Desopixi Sellynam.

I never said that His words DIDN'T extend to the future. However, He still started with the troubles that His first disciples would face in the near future, and He spent more time preparing them for that than talking about the distant future.

1 hour ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

"Seventy captivities are determined upon thy people and upon they holy city.."
Daniel 9:24

I CAN'T let this go! This is a MISQUOTE of Scripture, and that, in my book, is a complete "NO-NO!" That's worse, in my opinion, than just mistaking what was said, because this is what someone who is careful can and should catch for himself or herself!

The actual wording is ...

שָׁבֻעִ֨ים שִׁבְעִ֜ים נֶחְתַּ֥ךְ עַֽל־עַמְּךָ֣ ׀ וְעַל־עִ֣יר קָדְשֶׁ֗ךָ לְכַלֵּ֨א הַפֶּ֜שַׁע [וּלַחְתֹּם כ] (וּלְהָתֵ֤ם ק) [חַטָּאֹות כ] (חַטָּאת֙ ק) וּלְכַפֵּ֣ר עָוֹ֔ן וּלְהָבִ֖יא צֶ֣דֶק עֹֽלָמִ֑ים וְלַחְתֹּם֙ חָזֹ֣ון וְנָבִ֔יא וְלִמְשֹׁ֖חַ קֹ֥דֶשׁ קָֽדָשִֽׁים׃

which transliterates to ...

24 ShaaVu`iym shiV`iym naachtakh `al-`ammkhaa | v`al-`iyr qaadshaakhaa l-khallee' hapesha` [uwlachtom k] (uwlhaateem q) [chaTTaa'uwt k] (chaTTaa't q) uwlchapeer `aaown uwlhaaViy' tsedeq `olaamiym v-lachtom chaazown v-naaViy' v-limshoach qodesh qaadaashiym:

This is translated word-for-word as ...

24 Sevens (Weeks) seventy have-been-decreed against-thy-people | and-against-city -thy-holy to-finish the-transgression [] (and-to-make-an-end) [] (of-sins) and-to-make-reconciliation-for iniquity and-to-bring-in righteousness of-ages and-to-seal-up vision and-prophecy and-to-anoint holy of-holies:

This was translated into the King James Version as ...

Daniel 9:24 (KJV)

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

not "seventy captivities."

So, this conclusion is illogical:

1 hour ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

We can see 4 of them in time: Babylonian, 70, 1099, 1967.

You've read into the Scriptures something that wasn't there to make your own point.

1 hour ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

And His words are connected to Ezekiel's prophecy:

"Come from the four winds Oh breath of life,
and breath upon these slain that they may live
and they stood upon their feet an exceedingly great army."
Ezekiel 37:9-10

This passage in Ezekiel is about the RESURRECTION, not about captivities!

1 hour ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

"He shall send forth His angels with the sound of a trumpet
and they shall gather together His chosen ones,
from the four winds"
Matthew 24:31

You're making links upon the word "four??" No, the "four winds" are the four COMPASS DIRECTIONS, north, east, south, and west, and combinations thereof!

1 hour ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Israel's final restoration, is from even death,
the Lord returns with a shout and resurrects all of righteous Israel,
David, Isaiah, Job and the like. Psalm 16:10, Isaiah 26:19, Job 19:26.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air

"And the armies in the sky followed Him on white horses"
Rev 19:14

"For the Lord shall utter His voice before His army...
the day of the Lord is great and very terrible"
Joel 2:11

"the rest were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the horse,
which sword proceeded from His mouth"
Rev 19:21

"To you who are troubled rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from the sky
with His holy angels, in flaming fire taking
vengeance on them that know not God,
and that obey not the good news of our Lord Jesus Christ."

2 Thess 1:7-10

I don't doubt any of this! I think this is a good understanding of these verses. Just remember, though, that the "church" doesn't replace Israel. Instead, the "churches" are ADOPTED INTO Israel.

1 hour ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

And also in that passage we see that the good news of Jesus Christ,
is something to be obeyed.

Matthew 5 through 7, Luke 6:27-49,  Luke 4:18 - 21
To those trying to keep 600 laws everyday,
having to just be concerned with mainly loving their neighbor,
is good news. 

LOL! Well, it may be SOME "good news," but it's not "THE Good News."

Isaiah 52:7 (KJV)

7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, "THY GOD REIGNETH!" 

THAT'S the Good News of the Kingdom! The death, burial, and resurrection of the Master, Yeeshuwa`, the Messiah of God, was added to this because He who will become Israel's King PAID FOR OUR SINS as HaKeves Elohiym (the Lamb of God) and LIVES AGAIN, TOO!

[Shilohsfoal]

2 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Shilohsfoal.

You DO know that there's a difference between fleeing to the mountains and fleeing to the VALLEY of the mountains, right?

One MUST read the REST of the prophecy and take a statement like that IN CONTEXT for one to understand where the prophetic statement fits in the future history.

This is the same nonsense that happens when one tries to look up "abomination of desolation" and gets all the other phrases that use one word of the phrase of a recombination of the words in different number or tense, and tries to say that they all refer to the same event in future history! They just DON'T!

The biblical prophets did not use labels, like we do today. When they use the words, "abomination" or "desolation" or "desolate" (actually, the Hebrew words so translated), they mean them as one would use any common word in conversation.

One should NOT just look for certain words or phrases, particularly in English, to find passages that weave together to tell more of the future historical account.

 

Most translations and I agree with them that it is ,you will flee by my mountain valley and not flee to the valley.

They are actually fleeing to caves on the day of the Lord and the caves are found in the mountains.

Revelation 6

¹⁵ And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

 

 

As you can see,they did not flee to a valley.They fled to the mountains where the caves are on the day of the Lord.

 

One should always study.

I think most messianic Jews in Israel understand what this is saying seeing there are about a million caves in Israel built especially for this kind of occasion.You can even download an app to help you find the nearest cave.

Edited August 11, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

2 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

 

"Then let them which be in Judae flee into the mountains
Let him which is on the housetop not come down
to take anything out of his house:
Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes"
Matthew 24:16-18

"In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house,
let him not come down to take his stuff:
and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
Remember Lot's wife."

Luke 17:31-32

 

"While they lingered, the angels took them by the hands
and set them outside of the city"

"And it came to pass when the angels had brought Lot
and his wife and daughters out, that he said,
Escape for thy life; look not behind thee,
neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain,
lest thou be consumed"

In other words; run, for your life, don't look back.

"But his wife looked back from behind him,
and she became a pillar of salt"
Genesis 19:15-26

So you believe the Lord will not deliver them on the day the Lord delivers them who's names are written.

Hmmm

Daniel 12:1

And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.

 

Most people in judea will flee.

Those whos names are not written.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 8/11/2023 at 9:42 AM, Shilohsfoal said:

there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book

Daniel 12:1

many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake
some to everlasting life (Rev 20:4-5)
and some to shame and everlasting abhorrence (Rev 20:13-15)

Daniel 12:2

Immediately after the tribulation shall the sun be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light and the stars shall fall from the sky...
and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in the sky
and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see
the Son of man coming in the clouds of the sky..
And He shall send His angels with the great sound of a trumpet
and they shall gather together His chosen ones
from the four winds

Matthew 24:29-31
 

Come from the four winds, Oh breath of life,
and breath upon these slain that they may live..
and they stood upon their feet an exceedingly great army
Ezekiel 37:9-12

O my people, I will open up your graves and bring you up
out of your graves and into the land of Israel
Ezekiel 37:12

Unto which promise our twelve tribes, earnestly seeking God
day and night hope to attain.

Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you
that God should raise the dead?
Acts 26:7-8 [23:6-8]

 

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 8/11/2023 at 9:09 AM, Retrobyter said:

This was translated into the King James Version as ...

Daniel 1:21, 9:2-23 are the context of Daniel 9:24.

During the Babylonian captivity, Daniel was reading Jeremiah,
reading about the 70 year captivity he was in, Daniel 9:2.
And understanding that Jerusalem was to be destroyed after 70 years,
[Jeremiah 25:12,18] Daniel was praying about it; Daniel 9:16,
but Gabriel comes and gives Daniel skill in understanding.

There are Bibles that render it as
'Seventy sevens', in my physical Bible the 'seventy sevens'  "Lit."
translation is noted in the middle reference section.

Clearly it's not a literal 'weeks' because the Messiah has suffered the death penalty, not for Himself, and thousands of years have past.
'captivities' fits perfectly with the context, and the prophecy makes more sense
with that word. And we can see multiple captivities in time.

The final captivity ends with resurrections as the Lord gloriously
arrives to reign with His saints.

 

On 8/11/2023 at 9:09 AM, Retrobyter said:

You're making links upon the word "four??" No, the "four winds" are the four COMPASS DIRECTIONS, north, east, south, and west, and combinations thereof!

 

It's the phrase "from the four winds" that clearly links the two passages,
yes Ezekiel 37:9-12 is about resurrections.
And Matthew 24:31 is describing those exact same resurrections.
The passages are talking about the same thing, the resurrection.
And the two accounts are the only place in the whole Bible that
"from the four winds" is used.

 

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because He has anointed me to
preach the good news to the poor...
to preach the acceptable year of the Lord...
This day is this scripture fulfilled in your hearing."
Luke 4:18-21

Luke 6:46 "Why call ye me Lord Lord, and do not the things that I say?"

"He that has my commands {Jesus' commands: Luke 6:27-49, Matthew 5-7}
and keeps them, he it is that loves me."  John 14:21

"Was Paul crucified for you? or were you baptized in the name of Paul?"
1 Corinthians 1:13

"If any one does not love the Lord Jesus Christ,
let that person be Anathema, Oh Lord come!"

1 Corinthians 16:22

"To you who are troubled, rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from the sky,
with His holy angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God,
and that obey not the good news of our Lord Jesus Christ."

2 Thessalonians 1:7-10
 

"And behold I come quickly
and my reward is with me
to give every man according as his work shall be.

I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

"Blessed are they that do His commands,
that they may have right to the tree of life
and may enter through the gates into the city"
Revelation 22:12-14 kjv

 

 

 

 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

57 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Daniel 12:1

many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake
some to everlasting life (Rev 20:4-5)
and some to shame and everlasting abhorrence (Rev 20:13-15)

Daniel 12:2

Immediately after the tribulation shall the sun be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light and the stars shall fall from the sky...
and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in the sky
and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see
the Son of man coming in the clouds of the sky..
And He shall send His angels with the great sound of a trumpet
and they shall gather together His chosen ones
from the four winds

Matthew 24:29-31
 

Come from the four winds, Oh breath of life,
and breath upon these slain that they may live..
and they stood upon their feet an exceedingly great army
Ezekiel 37:9-12

O my people, I will open up your graves and bring you up
out of your graves and into the land of Israel
Ezekiel 37:12

Unto which promise our twelve tribes, earnestly seeking God
day and night hope to attain.

Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you
that God should raise the dead?
Acts 26:7-8 [23:6-8]

 

Now let us take note when Jesus said this great tribulation would take place in which Daniel wrote that those who names are written would be delivered at that time.

Mathew 24

¹⁵ When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

¹⁶ Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

¹⁷ Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

¹⁸ Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

¹⁹ And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

²⁰ But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

²¹ For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

So why would them who's names are written need to flee when God will deliver them at that time of great tribulation as Daniel wrote in Daniel 12:1?

 

 

 

Edited August 14, 2023 by Shilohsfoal