"Despise Not Prophesyings" (Unless It Violates Your Terms Of Service)

[phoneman-777]

"Despise NOT prophesyings, prove all things, hold fast to that which is good".

When it comes to religious authoritarianism, we can dress it up in a warm and fuzzy garb of smiling Christian inclusivity but it remains a blatant violation of God's Word in 1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 KJV - and its primary weapon is more lethal to the soul of man than anything he's ever devised: censorship.

"Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it" and we need to remember that if Godly men hadn't stood up against the censorship of Dark Ages religious authoritarians, God's people everywhere would still be eating dead bread and praying to statues. Shall we return to the same tyranny of the past that robbed men of our only hope in Christ for the future?

The reason religious authoritarians actively censor dissenting voices has been the same since time immemorial: unanswerable arguments. In Luther's day, the learned catholic John Eck was sent to persuade those questioning church authorities, but returned with his tail between his legs saying, "We cannot compete with these Protestant innovators! We need something more authoritative than Scripture!" They found just what they were looking for in what was proclaimed equally integral as but superior to Scripture - "Tradition" - which was made the standard for Biblical interpretation.

Today, religious authoritarians who profess "Sola Scriptura" have found an equally invincible standard of interpretation: "Statement of Faith" aka "Creed" aka "Fundamental Beliefs". Used correctly, it's a useful means of defining a group's commonly held beliefs, and no more. But, in the hands of religious authoritarians, it becomes a necessary cudgel of censorship used to circle the proverbial wagons around creed-bound beliefs which cannot stand the test of Biblical scrutiny. Thinketh we doeth God service? Let's start by obeying God's Word: "Despise not prophesyings".

Edited August 4, 2023 by phoneman-777

[Michael37]

41 minutes ago, phoneman-777 said:

"Despise not prophesyings".

A good creed.

[Solus Christus]

3 hours ago, phoneman-777 said:

"Despise NOT prophesyings, prove all things, hold fast to that which is good".

When it comes to religious authoritarianism, we can dress it up in a warm and fuzzy garb of smiling Christian inclusivity but it remains a blatant violation of God's Word in 1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 KJV - and its primary weapon is more lethal to the soul of man than anything he's ever devised: censorship.

"Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it" and we need to remember that if Godly men hadn't stood up against the censorship of Dark Ages religious authoritarians, God's people everywhere would still be eating dead bread and praying to statues. Shall we return to the same tyranny of the past that robbed men of our only hope in Christ for the future?

The reason religious authoritarians actively censor dissenting voices has been the same since time immemorial: unanswerable arguments. In Luther's day, the learned catholic John Eck was sent to persuade those questioning church authorities, but returned with his tail between his legs saying, "We cannot compete with these Protestant innovators! We need something more authoritative than Scripture!" They found just what they were looking for in what was proclaimed equally integral as but superior to Scripture - "Tradition" - which was made the standard for Biblical interpretation.

Today, religious authoritarians who profess "Sola Scriptura" have found an equally invincible standard of interpretation: "Statement of Faith" aka "Creed" aka "Fundamental Beliefs". Used correctly, it's a useful means of defining a group's commonly held beliefs, and no more. But, in the hands of religious authoritarians, it becomes a necessary cudgel of censorship used to circle the proverbial wagons around creed-bound beliefs which cannot stand the test of Biblical scrutiny. Thinketh we doeth God service? Let's start by obeying God's Word: "Despise not prophesyings".

Great points, but it feels like a part I of a fuller thought. Care to continue? 

[phoneman-777]

6 hours ago, Solus Christus said:

Great points, but it feels like a part I of a fuller thought. Care to continue? 

Thank you, praise God.

Well, the only other thing that can be said is that the coming NWO, along with its global government and global economy, will include global religious authoritarianism comprised of the "Dragon" (Satanic/Luciferian occultism), the "Beast" (Papacy) and the "False Prophet" (Apostate Protestantism), the latter of which will ignorantly unite with the other two.

Anyone can see the "Dragon" represents the occult world that controls everything via a global network of secret societies whose member occupy key positions of power. Does anyone really think Biden got 12 million more votes than did Obama, and that the complete 180 our U.S. ecomony has taken in the last 2 1/2 years is due to "inept" leaders?

Anyone can see the "Beast" represents the Papacy (if they set aside Jesuit Preterism and Jesuit "Left Behind" Futurism for a moment) and that the Papacy fulfills all the Biblical criteria for it, as taught by Protestant Historicism for over THREE HUNDRED YEARS - before foolish Protestants who benefited from the Protestant Reformation's victory of Papal persecution decided that the boredom of not having to run for your life from the Inquisition was too much and began entertaining Jesuit "counter-Reformation" ideas about a distant past "Preterist" Beast, or a soon to come "Futurist" Beast, resulting in the worst case of mass delusional "spiritual amnesia" the world has ever seen. "Protestants" today actually defend the Papacy when Protestant Historicism is brought up.

But, the "False Prophet" is apostate Protestantism? There's no way the Protestant church could ever be seduced by false doctrines or join with the Papacy, right? Has anyone been watching the news? The Ecumenical Movement is gaining ground with each passing year. And, has anyone bothered to check to see how in line with catholicism is modern day Protestantism? Protestants are no longer protesting! 

 

Some of the similarities are:

>both believe saints go straight to heaven (some make a pit stop in Purgatory) and sinners go straight to hell.

>both deny obedience to God's commandments is outward evidence of inward salvation. The one is fiercely Antinomianist and the other says you get to heaven through "holy" sacraments.

>both have dragged pagan festivals into the faith and invested them degrees of "holiness" while despising the one day God said observe.

>both deny Protestant Historicism's Papal Antichrist and teach a Preterist or Futurist Antichrist, or both.

>both deny the absolute authority of Scripture - the one professes "Sola Scriptura" but places ecumenical/experiential/self esteem religion front and center while relegating "earnest contention for the faith" through doctrinal debate to the broom closet. The other has claimed for centuries "the Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact".

>both deny a literal 7-day Creation Week - the one has decided that the widespread ridicule of young Earth creationism is too much, so has chosen to embrace "Evolution Sunday" as apostate olive branch, while the other has claimed for centuries that
the first 11 chapters of Genesis are a myth". 

So, when it comes to religious authoritarianism, both are like two peas in a pod.

Edited August 4, 2023 by phoneman-777

[phoneman-777]

9 hours ago, Michael37 said:

A good creed.

Is God commanding it or suggesting it?

[teddyv]

3 hours ago, phoneman-777 said:

Thank you, praise God.

Well, the only other thing that can be said is that the coming NWO, along with its global government and global economy, will include global religious authoritarianism comprised of the "Dragon" (Satanic/Luciferian occultism), the "Beast" (Papacy) and the "False Prophet" (Apostate Protestantism), the latter of which will ignorantly unite with the other two.

Anyone can see the "Dragon" represents the occult world that controls everything via a global network of secret societies whose member occupy key positions of power. Does anyone really think Biden got 12 million more votes than did Obama, and that the complete 180 our U.S. ecomony has taken in the last 2 1/2 years is due to "inept" leaders?

Anyone can see the "Beast" represents the Papacy (if they set aside Jesuit Preterism and Jesuit "Left Behind" Futurism for a moment) and that the Papacy fulfills all the Biblical criteria for it, as taught by Protestant Historicism for over THREE HUNDRED YEARS - before foolish Protestants who benefited from the Protestant Reformation's victory of Papal persecution decided that the boredom of not having to run for your life from the Inquisition was too much and began entertaining Jesuit "counter-Reformation" ideas about a distant past "Preterist" Beast, or a soon to come "Futurist" Beast, resulting in the worst case of mass delusional "spiritual amnesia" the world has ever seen. "Protestants" today actually defend the Papacy when Protestant Historicism is brought up.

But, the "False Prophet" is apostate Protestantism? There's no way the Protestant church could ever be seduced by false doctrines or join with the Papacy, right? Has anyone been watching the news? The Ecumenical Movement is gaining ground with each passing year. And, has anyone bothered to check to see how in line with catholicism is modern day Protestantism? Protestants are no longer protesting! 

 

Some of the similarities are:

>both believe saints go straight to heaven (some make a pit stop in Purgatory) and sinners go straight to hell.

>both deny obedience to God's commandments is outward evidence of inward salvation. The one is fiercely Antinomianist and the other says you get to heaven through "holy" sacraments.

>both have dragged pagan festivals into the faith and invested them degrees of "holiness" while despising the one day God said observe.

>both deny Protestant Historicism's Papal Antichrist and teach a Preterist or Futurist Antichrist, or both.

>both deny the absolute authority of Scripture - the one professes "Sola Scriptura" but places ecumenical/experiential/self esteem religion front and center while relegating "earnest contention for the faith" through doctrinal debate to the broom closet. The other has claimed for centuries "the Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact".

>both deny a literal 7-day Creation Week - the one has decided that the widespread ridicule of young Earth creationism is too much, so has chosen to embrace "Evolution Sunday" as apostate olive branch, while the other has claimed for centuries that
the first 11 chapters of Genesis are a myth". 

So, when it comes to religious authoritarianism, both are like two peas in a pod.

A lot of assumptions here based on a specific interpretative lens.

[phoneman-777]

1 hour ago, teddyv said:

A lot of assumptions here based on a specific interpretative lens.

A thing isn't an assumption if it can be backed up with fact, and since the lenses of both Jesuit Preterism and Jesuit "Left Behind" Futurism are completely out of focus, the only one capable of identifying facts is the one used by Protestant Historicism.

[Solus Christus]

3 hours ago, teddyv said:

A lot of assumptions here based on a specific interpretative lens.

Ars not all assumptions, aren’t we all using a lens?: denominational upbringing, eschatological view, and etc? 

Its like history, all history is biased, it is point of view of the victor, persecuted, and etc. 

 

[AnOrangeCat]

17 hours ago, Solus Christus said:

Ars not all assumptions, aren’t we all using a lens?: denominational upbringing, eschatological view, and etc? 

Its like history, all history is biased, it is point of view of the victor, persecuted, and etc. 

This is certainly true. That said I'm a firm believer that how we say something and the circumstances we say them under are also quite meaningful. It's one thing to say "I believe X and Y". Quite another to say "I believe X and Y and anyone who disagrees is wrong."

Certainly we can take an absolute stance with the plainly stated fundamentals, such as the divinity of Jesus and Him dying for our sins and so on. But when it comes to prophecy we're no longer in that domain. It's like when Paul said we're seeing through a glass darkly. A good case made for a particular interpretation of prophecy should speak for itself. It doesn't need to be touted as fact. Bearing in mind the heavily symbolic nature of Biblical prophecy I'd personally say that we show more respect to it by being humble about it and acknowledging that the interpretations we favor aren't in the realm of 100% certainty.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

On 8/4/2023 at 8:09 AM, phoneman-777 said:

Some of the similarities are:

>both believe saints go straight to heaven (some make a pit stop in Purgatory) and sinners go straight to hell.

>both deny obedience to God's commandments is outward evidence of inward salvation. The one is fiercely Antinomianist and the other says you get to heaven through "holy" sacraments.

>both have dragged pagan festivals into the faith and invested them degrees of "holiness" while despising the one day God said observe.

>both deny Protestant Historicism's Papal Antichrist and teach a Preterist or Futurist Antichrist, or both.

>both deny the absolute authority of Scripture - the one professes "Sola Scriptura" but places ecumenical/experiential/self esteem religion front and center while relegating "earnest contention for the faith" through doctrinal debate to the broom closet. The other has claimed for centuries "the Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact".

>both deny a literal 7-day Creation Week - the one has decided that the widespread ridicule of young Earth creationism is too much, so has chosen to embrace "Evolution Sunday" as apostate olive branch, while the other has claimed for centuries that
the first 11 chapters of Genesis are a myth". 

So, when it comes to religious authoritarianism, both are like two peas in a pod.

Agreed