DeighAnn Posted August 15, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.63 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 15, 2023 On 8/12/2023 at 7:14 AM, JimmyB said: Jesus was created by the Holy Spirit, not by a human, so He is not a descendant of Eve. If He had any of Eve's genes then He would have inherited her sin nature. Clearly that is not the case. Jesus is fully God, therefore sinless. IF that were TRUTH then how could HE have been tempted AS WE ARE and UNDERSTAND? How could He have been a PARTAKER in the flesh and blood like us? The Holy Spirit isn't flesh and blood but Marys EGG was. Mary CONCEIVED, she wasn't told she would become A SURROGATE, was she? Inheriting THE SIN NATURE and STILL NOT SINNING IS THE MIRACLE. "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." Hebrews 4:15 KJV "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 1:20 KJV 1080. gennaó ► Strong's Concordance gennaó: to beget, to bring forth Original Word: γεννάω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: gennaó Phonetic Spelling: (ghen-nah'-o) Definition: to beget, to bring forth Usage: I beget (of the male), (of the female) I bring forth, give birth to. HELPS Word-studies 1080 gennáō – properly, beget (procreate a descendant), produce offspring; (passive) be born, "begotten." "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;" Hebrews 2:14 KJV 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted August 15, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,859 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,763 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted August 15, 2023 2 hours ago, DeighAnn said: IF that were TRUTH then how could HE have been tempted AS WE ARE and UNDERSTAND? How could He have been a PARTAKER in the flesh and blood like us? The Holy Spirit isn't flesh and blood but Marys EGG was. Mary CONCEIVED, she wasn't told she would become A SURROGATE, was she? Inheriting THE SIN NATURE and STILL NOT SINNING IS THE MIRACLE. "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." Hebrews 4:15 KJV "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 1:20 KJV 1080. gennaó ► Strong's Concordance gennaó: to beget, to bring forth Original Word: γεννάω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: gennaó Phonetic Spelling: (ghen-nah'-o) Definition: to beget, to bring forth Usage: I beget (of the male), (of the female) I bring forth, give birth to. HELPS Word-studies 1080 gennáō – properly, beget (procreate a descendant), produce offspring; (passive) be born, "begotten." "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;" Hebrews 2:14 KJV Jesus was born after the nine months gastetion period for a man. I am sure that someone had to cut the biblical cord. Thank you for your post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted August 15, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,859 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,763 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) On 8/13/2023 at 3:10 AM, Duck said: Jesus said (to multitudes) 'therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect' (matt 5:48) We should take notice that Jesus acknowledged that the people who had gathered to listen to him were the CHILDREN OF GOD. When he said: just as your Father in Heaven... (this took place before the death of Jesus on the Cross) when they were not children born from above yet. Jesus made reference to one of the things to come. About the righteousness of God by faith in Jesus Christ just right after his death on the Cross. That was a very difficult saying to understand by the people who heard him. First the Sinai Covenant required them to have the perfection or righteousness required by the Law of Moses... They had to follow the steps in their religious Calendar... It was not required to have the perfection of God their Father. The fact is that Jesus said that to the people who had gathered to listen to him. By the events in Matthew 5: Jesus knew how would that be accomplished. He knew that he was the "Lamb of God who would be slain". . Jesus knew that after his death anyone who believes in him for the forgiveness of his sins would be made perfect in his name and if perfect in his name by faith alone, they will be perfect as the Heavenly Father because of Jesus Christ righteousness. Edited August 15, 2023 by Your closest friendnt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garee Posted August 16, 2023 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 222 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 45 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/10/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted August 16, 2023 On 8/13/2023 at 2:10 AM, Duck said: Adam was perfect, before he fell. (Context=and God (Elohim pl.) Said that it was good). If God says that it is good, then it is. The second adam, Jesus did not fall, and was/is perfect Jesus is The only way to The Father. No other way. Thomas said of Jesus 'my Lord and my God'= O Theo=The God...Jesus is God. He is the image of The invisible God. Thomas saw God, and was acknowledged for recognising Who He really was. Able's offering was 'accepted' by God, cains's was not (context= abel gave his best, cain gave second best) Jesus said (to multitudes) 'therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect' (matt 5:48) Yes the living word working as loving commandments (let there be and it was good.) God lovingly commanded Thomas to be faithful full and not faithless none of Christ faith and as a confession a witness God was working Thomas confessed . The same with Abel , the living commandment. . be perfect(complete ) and he was made perfect.(the perfect law of faith ) We are made complete in Christ our perfect savior .without him we can do nothing to his good pleasure . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeighAnn Posted August 16, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.63 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 16, 2023 2 hours ago, garee said: We are made complete in Christ our perfect savior .without him we can do nothing to his good pleasure . Yes, without Christ as we have seen from those who lived under the law, it was almost impossible for the 'law' to bring one to faith, to be without sin. Under the law, they ended up being in sin all the time because FORGIVENESS was so hard to acquire. No DROPPING down to your knees and repenting, there were RITUALS that had to take place. So those born of the flesh TRYING to follow the Law perfectly, were not able for so much of their lives HOW WERE they to 'mature' to the point of walking as Jesus would show us? What examples did they have to follow? WE are so so so very blessed under GRACE. Jesus was born BOTH of the flesh and of the Spirit able to walk perfect, able to live without sin, holy. US, born of flesh, NOW are able to walk as Jesus did ALL because of the CROSS, and all the work HE did, and now can be/are made complete ourselves ALSO BEING BORN OF BOTH so we should be able to do what THOSE under the law could not do. If we think about it, we not only have the law, we also have the HISTORY, being given the knowledge both of what worked and what didn't without the Spirit AND now we HAVE THE SPIRIT. How can WE NOT walk perfect, not walk holy MOST OF THE TIME? With our 'body' already dead to sin, WHY would we ever remain in sin for any amount of time? We have THE TEMPLE, THE PRIEST AND THE PERFECT SACRIFICE AT our 'behest' EVERY MOMENT of our lives once we are born of the Spirit. Meaning the moment we sin, we SHOULD REPENT and again, walk without sin, walk perfect so that GOD can HEAR our prayers and we can talk with Him. BUT DARE SAY you do WALK PERFECT and EVERYONE JUMPS ALL OVER YOU, calling you out AS A SINNER for even uttering those words. Doesn't matter we are TOLD TO DO THAT VERY THING... So the choices are to edify one another to walk perfect, sharing the wisdom and knowledge of how to do so or tell each other we are always in sin. WHICH would GOD prefer? Which would Satan prefer? Everyone should ask themselves WHAT they are putting forth, who are they serving.... Just thought I would expand a little on what you wrote for those who might not understand the 'complete in Him'. Hope you don't mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted August 16, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,859 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,763 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted August 16, 2023 2 hours ago, garee said: Yes the living word working as loving commandments (let there be and it was good.) God lovingly commanded Thomas to be faithful full and not faithless none of Christ faith and as a confession a witness God was working Thomas confessed . The same with Abel , the living commandment. . be perfect(complete ) and he was made perfect.(the perfect law of faith ) What about Abel? What does the scriptures say about Abel. Abel was the second born to Adam and Eve...Cain was the first...both of them were born in "the surely die state" of Adam and Eve. Cain was the first man to be conceived by the union of Adam and Eve... When that happened Adam and Eve were "in the surely die. Mode" and that what Adam passed to his children. What he had he gave them. We observe in the scriptures that God did not abandon Adam and Eve and their two children and God just like when Adam was in the Garden He continues to give them his fellowship when they were in the "surely die mode" and out of the Garden. The first time God cut his fellowship with anyone of them was with Cain after he killed Abel. And the first time God could not reach out to anyone of them was with Abel and after his death... This is the manifestation of"the surely die mode". For the first time wuth the first Man Abel to die... God's access to Abel stopped at the time of Abel's death. At his death God access to Abel came to an end.. God could not go to where Abel was taken...which means that Abel right after his death was not taken by God but was taken by someone else...God did not dispute or did not fought to claim Abel at his death...( this had nothing to do with his earthly body. Abel at the time of his death was seperated from God... and God stopped being his God...He was his God while he lived but not after Abel die. Abel the first man to die and he was not gathered to God after his death. Abel was taken away from God...and God acknowledged that when he confronted Cain. Cain lost the fellowship of God before he died because of what he did to kill his brother Abel...the first man to loose the fellowship of God while he lived...in other words he was seperated from God while he was alive...because of his sin... Abel died a violent death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted August 16, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,859 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,763 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted August 16, 2023 1 hour ago, DeighAnn said: Yes, without Christ as we have seen from those who lived under the law, it was almost impossible for the 'law' to bring one to faith, to be without sin. Under the law, they ended up being in sin all the time because FORGIVENESS was so hard to acquire. No DROPPING down to your knees and repenting, there were RITUALS that had to take place. So those born of the flesh TRYING to follow the Law perfectly, were not able for so much of their lives HOW WERE they to 'mature' to the point of walking as Jesus would show us? What examples did they have to follow? WE are so so so very blessed under GRACE. Jesus was born BOTH of the flesh and of the Spirit able to walk perfect, able to live without sin, holy. US, born of flesh, NOW are able to walk as Jesus did ALL because of the CROSS, and all the work HE did, and now can be/are made complete ourselves ALSO BEING BORN OF BOTH so we should be able to do what THOSE under the law could not do. If we think about it, we not only have the law, we also have the HISTORY, being given the knowledge both of what worked and what didn't without the Spirit AND now we HAVE THE SPIRIT. How can WE NOT walk perfect, not walk holy MOST OF THE TIME? With our 'body' already dead to sin, WHY would we ever remain in sin for any amount of time? We have THE TEMPLE, THE PRIEST AND THE PERFECT SACRIFICE AT our 'behest' EVERY MOMENT of our lives once we are born of the Spirit. Meaning the moment we sin, we SHOULD REPENT and again, walk without sin, walk perfect so that GOD can HEAR our prayers and we can talk with Him. BUT DARE SAY you do WALK PERFECT and EVERYONE JUMPS ALL OVER YOU, calling you out AS A SINNER for even uttering those words. Doesn't matter we are TOLD TO DO THAT VERY THING... So the choices are to edify one another to walk perfect, sharing the wisdom and knowledge of how to do so or tell each other we are always in sin. WHICH would GOD prefer? Which would Satan prefer? Everyone should ask themselves WHAT they are putting forth, who are they serving.... Just thought I would expand a little on what you wrote for those who might not understand the 'complete in Him'. Hope you don't mind. What a beautiful post. Thank you for posting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garee Posted August 17, 2023 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 222 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 45 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/10/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted August 17, 2023 On 8/16/2023 at 10:25 AM, Your closest friendnt said: What about Abel? What does the scriptures say about Abel. Abel was the second born to Adam and Eve...Cain was the first...both of them were born in "the surely die state" of Adam and Eve. Cain was the first man to be conceived by the union of Adam and Eve... When that happened Adam and Eve were "in the surely die. Mode" and that what Adam passed to his children. What he had he gave them. We observe in the scriptures that God did not abandon Adam and Eve and their two children and God just like when Adam was in the Garden He continues to give them his fellowship when they were in the "surely die mode" and out of the Garden. The first time God cut his fellowship with anyone of them was with Cain after he killed Abel. And the first time God could not reach out to anyone of them was with Abel and after his death... This is the manifestation of"the surely die mode". For the first time wuth the first Man Abel to die... God's access to Abel stopped at the time of Abel's death. At his death God access to Abel came to an end.. God could not go to where Abel was taken...which means that Abel right after his death was not taken by God but was taken by someone else...God did not dispute or did not fought to claim Abel at his death...( this had nothing to do with his earthly body. Abel at the time of his death was seperated from God... and God stopped being his God...He was his God while he lived but not after Abel die. Abel the first man to die and he was not gathered to God after his death. Abel was taken away from God...and God acknowledged that when he confronted Cain. Cain lost the fellowship of God before he died because of what he did to kill his brother Abel...the first man to loose the fellowship of God while he lived...in other words he was separated from God while he was alive...because of his sin... Abel died a violent death. Thanks for your interpretation .I would offer and add . . . Cain meaning "acquired possession" the first born he was named in a hope a savior to bring them back into fellow hip with Christ the garden . Abel meaning "vanity". . mankind learning what it means to walk by faith .or be strengthened by Christ labor of love.Long sufferings doing the first works Abel the martyred apostle, the second born used to represent our second birth. The beginning of the genealogy of the Son of man Jesus (Luke 3) He was replaced with Enoch, a sign of the second born. Enoch . .literally "dedicated", set aside as Holy Enoch in a parable of the last day, judgment day the rising up of new bodies that will never die. Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted August 21, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted August 21, 2023 Maybe this image helps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1to3 Posted August 21, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 141 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,242 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 3,080 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/28/2014 Status: Online Share Posted August 21, 2023 On 8/8/2023 at 11:11 AM, Stan Murff said: It's not a matter of justifying sin, it's the matter that Jesus already paid for our sin and if someone lives doing sinful stuff it doesn't matter, they still go to heaven. This is the general consensus even by most people on this talk forum. The general consensus of world and other says its ok to live in sin, but that does not make it right sin lead to death, Gods Word le TO LIFE AND MORE ABOUNDANTELY. Gods Word indicates to repent confess your sins to Him and turn away from sin. if one is obedient to God through His only begotten son Christ Jesus who said if you truly love me, follow my commandments and sin not. why because sin leads one towards death, sin keep you further and further away from God, unrepentant sin bring forth a corrupted deviate reprobate mind. When a mind gets so reprobate it no loger can understand right from wrong, that is how far away from god it has gotten. John 14:15-3 “If you love me, you will obey my commandments. I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, who will stay with you forever. He is the Spirit, who reveals the truth about God. Titus 1:15-16 To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled. They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed. Jeremiah 6:15 Verse Concepts “Were they ashamed because of the abomination they have done? They were not even ashamed at all; They did not even know how to blush. Therefore they shall fall among those who fall; At the time that I punish them, They shall be cast down,” says the Lord. --------------------------------- Anyone from this world or on this site or other that promotes that living in sin is ok, is teaching satans way, away from Gods Truth. They will one day be accountable for doing so. 1John ch1 1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) 3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make God a liar, and His word is not in us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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