Can Catholics and Protestants Come Together?

[Anne2]

1 hour ago, FJK said:

I think what constitutes a fault would be at issue here, along with how to change it.

I would suggest an absolute and unchanging standard is needed to avoid everyone becoming righteous in their own mind and going whatever way the (figuratively) prevailing wind blows them.

Yep and some have decided theirs alone are the standard. Not really interested in dealing with another based upon what they actually believe to address it as it is. Is it possible that these traditional Churches are maintaining anything of value? I think it is very possible they do. But not so much the issues discussed here.

[Anne2]

35 minutes ago, farouk said:

Care does need to be made about doctrine even if on the surface it's supposed to be political rather than doctrinal.

But if you do not even care enough to address the reality of what they believe how can you do that? Just as some, decide the doctrine of the trinity is teaching three God's. And no matter how you attempt to deny that, that is all they describe and define it.

[farouk]

17 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

But if you do not even care enough to address the reality of what they believe how can you do that? Just as some, decide the doctrine of the trinity is teaching three God's. And no matter how you attempt to deny that, that is all they describe and define it.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit are overwhelming present in Scripture; and Scripture is the doctrinal yardstick to understanding what ppl believe.

[Anne2]

2 minutes ago, farouk said:

Father, Son and Holy Spirit are overwhelming present in Scripture; and Scripture is the doctrinal yardstick to understanding what ppl believe.

Yes.

[Anne2]

43 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Everyone who believes in their heart that Jesus died for the forgiveness of our sins is SAVED.  

To have forgiveness of sins in Jesus Christ he is having the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ.  

His own righteousness is another matter, but he cannot be condemned because he has Jesus Christ imputed righteousness.

We are Saved from DEATH-THANATOS and the God of the Dead. He cannot have us, we will never be gathered to him at the time of our physical death...

We gathered to the one who has forgive our sins to the one who has justified us by putting our sins under his blood. 

We are Saved while we still live, we believe and we are gathered to him at the time of our physical death. Where he is that's where we will be at the time of our physical death.  

Jesus does not want our "corpse" the dead body, and neither the Devil or the God of the Dead cares about our  "corpse" which is given to the relatives to deal with it according to their customs before they give it to the earth.  Praise the Name of Jesus. 

Works are not discussed because they cannot give anyone the righteousness of Jesus Christ or Justified anyone before the Heavenly Father..everyone has to be justified by the blood of the Slain Lamb of God who died for the forgiveness of our sins..Every one must have his sins forgiven in the blood of the Slain Lamb of God to be justified in his name to be included in the children of the Heavenly Father. 

Before the foundation of the world The Heavenly Father had proposed to himself to have children justified only by the blood of the Slain Lamb of God, in Jesus Christ.  

If someone believes that he has to include his work let him, leave him alone...you who do not include your works and you believe that you are justified by faith alone, do not forget to do the good works because it is our good works that recommend us to the one who has saved us who is the Heavenly Father through Jesus Christ, through his obedience to the Heavenly Father all the way to the Cross. TETELESTE, ITS FINISHED. 

Paul said: the try to earn what they already have. 

They labour for something they all reay have, The Eternal Life with Jesus Christ and the Heavenly Father. 

If you understand any better and rest in the work of Jesus Christ do not follow but do not condemned them. 

 

Jas 2:17  Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
 

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, Anne2 said:

Jas 2:17  Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
 

No James and none of the other disciples including John and Peter in the church in Jerusalem preached that when we believe in Jesus Christ our sins are not forgiven and we do not have the eternal life that we are still dead to Jesus Christ and the Heavenly Father. 

Edited August 31, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[Anne2]

On 8/31/2023 at 12:59 PM, Your closest friendnt said:

No James and none of the other disciples including John and Peter in the church in Jerusalem preached that when we believe in Jesus Christ our sins are not forgiven and we do not have the eternal life that we are still dead to Jesus Christ and the Heavenly Father. 

What? This makes no sense to my post. 

My point was that works SHOW our faith. Somehow you connected that to forgiveness of sin?

[Your closest friendnt]

18 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

What? This makes no sense to my post. 

My point was that works SHOW our faith. Somehow you connected that to forgiveness of sin?

Everyone in the world has works, good and charitable works even to strangers. 

You response to my earlier post it was "faith without works is dead" when I had posted that we are Saved by believing that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of our sins without our works.

And you responded that "faith without works is dead" thus taken the position that are faith in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of our sins does not give us Forgiveness of our sins and Life that we still remain in Death till we accoblished the works that will removed Death from us and found our selves in the Eternal Life of Jesus Christ. 

I was talking about faith in the finish work of Jesus Christ..

What kind of faith you were talking about...are you talking about believing in Jesus Christ?  

Do not bring the name of James into the picture...

Because he never said that when we believe in Jesus Christ we are still in death till we do the saving works.

If that was true then Jesus does not have Life in Himself...when we believe in him without any works we are as he is and he is in the Eternal Life and are we. 

[Anne2]

21 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Everyone in the world has works, good and charitable works even to strangers. 

You response to my earlier post it was "faith without works is dead" when I had posted that we are Saved by believing that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of our sins without our works.

And you responded that "faith without works is dead" thus taken the position that are faith in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of our sins does not give us Forgiveness of our sins and Life that we still remain in Death till we accoblished the works that will removed Death from us and found our selves in the Eternal Life of Jesus Christ. 

I was talking about faith in the finish work of Jesus Christ..

What kind of faith you were talking about...are you talking about believing in Jesus Christ?  

Do not bring the name of James into the picture...

Because he never said that when we believe in Jesus Christ we are still in death till we do the saving works.

If that was true then Jesus does not have Life in Himself...when we believe in him without any works we are as he is and he is in the Eternal Life and are we. 

Works Showing our faith, is not just good works as the average person as well knows to do for their own. But those things we do include those which show what we believe about Christ and his work on our behalf. The Lords supper would be such a thing. Why do we keep the memorial? what does it mean?

Edited September 3, 2023 by Anne2

[Your closest friendnt]

8 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Works Showing our faith, is not just good works as the average person as well knows to do for their own. But those things we do include those which show what we believe about Christ and his work on our behalf. The Lords supper would be such a thing. Why do we keep the memorial? what does it mean?

Do not say again that faith in Jesus Christ is Dead...do not say that we are still in our sins when we believe in him because the time we believe we are as he is by Grace...we are in his forgiveness of our sins in his imputed righteousness...our righteousness follows his imputed righteousness. 

In our days all other non Jesus Christ religions are competing with the Christians and they are doing the same good works the Christians do...

Believing in something even in God and even in loving their neighbors without any prejudice as a fact they try to imitate many things from the scriptures without believing in Jesus Christ for their forgiveness of their sins as the Slain Lamb of God...

What is the profit...they can boast that they believe in good works and have the evidence to prove it.

Are they Saved...but anyone who believes in his heart that Jesus died for the forgiveness of his sins is pass from Death to Eternal Life...the moment he believes.  We must show the difference...