The Difficult Sayings Of Jesus

[enoob57]

4 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Oh so, all the historical liturgical Churches, Protestant or not are unspiritual?

You only need follow the Scripture to eschatological outcomes to answer this..,

[Mike Mclees]

27 minutes ago, Starise said:

This truly falls into the category of strange if taken literally.  When Jesus was at the last supper, it might have made a little more sense to the disciples. " This is my blood, take and drink", This is my body, take and eat"

Rephrase- Accept my sacrifice, my body sacrificed for you, for the remission of sins. Then He went to the cross and made it all too apparent what he meant.

Some Christian denominations observe the Lord's table in remembrance of Him. They hand out the wine and the bread to observe the ritual. The reason I'm bringing this up is to flag an inaccurate teaching that says these elements are literally the blood and body of Christ. Most protestant churches see this as only symbolic. Really going out on a pole otherwise.

I hear that and know who they are.  

[Anne2]

4 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

You only need follow the Scripture to eschatological outcomes to answer this..,

Oh, only true followers of scripture know this I see.

[enoob57]

20 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Oh, only true followers of scripture know this I see.

your writing suggest doubt ...  or perhaps willful clinging to one's already accepted thoughts  
Rev 21:5-7
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
KJV
Noting 'all things new' which fulfills
Isa 65:17
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
KJV
The Scripture determines how I reason and think ... everything is literal unless Scripture allows otherwise...  Jesus said this of little children:
Matt 18:3-4
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
KJV
to put is simply 
Heb 11:1
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
KJV
One must be willing to let go of that which passes away in order to fill themselves with what is promised... which we cannot reason with the present world or things within it...
1 Cor 2:9-11
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
KJV
We are effectively waiting upon God for a promise we cannot yet fathom yet being s/Spiritually alive we wait as children upon the promise in which the present world or things within it fails to deepen or explain any of this!

[Anne2]

34 minutes ago, Starise said:

This truly falls into the category of strange if taken literally.  When Jesus was at the last supper, it might have made a little more sense to the disciples. " This is my blood, take and drink", This is my body, take and eat"

 

Does it fall into the category of strange there was no blood establishing the new covenant?

The blood of the new covenant.

24  And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25  After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26  For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord’s death till he come.
27  Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

Is it strange to you that there was no real blood of the covenant then?

[Anne2]

27 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

your writing suggest doubt ...  or perhaps willful clinging to one's already accepted thoughts  

No. I do doubt to judge the entire historical Churches, as unspiritual know nothings, as I have not such confidence in my own thoughts

Edited September 6, 2023 by Anne2

[Mr. M]

50 minutes ago, Starise said:

 

Certainly He can do anything, but in this case, at the original Lords table the elements were symbolic, and in no Lords table I've ever partaken of were the elements ever thought to be anything other than symbolic.

Not sure what the Lutherans believe about the Lord's table. But I think it's symbolic remembrance based on everything I know.

Something upon which life and death hangs

cannot be treated merely as symbolic.

1 Corinthians 11:

27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup

of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty

of the body and blood of the Lord. 

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him

eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 

29 For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner

eats and drinks judgment to himself,

not discerning the Lord’s body. 

30 For this reason many are weak and sick

among you, and many sleep. 

There is also no necessity to accommodate flesh.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. 

Partaking of the Lord's Table is Spiritual

John 6:56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood 

abides in Me, and I in him. 

To abide in Christ is to be faithful to the fellowship

of the Spirit.

Philippians 2:

1 Therefore if there is any consolation in Christ,

if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit,

if any affection and mercy, 

2 fulfill my joy by being like-minded, having the same love, 

being of one accord, of one mind.

Spirit, not flesh, is the over-riding theme of Christ 

in the Gospel of John.

3:

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh,

and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 

7 Do not marvel that I said to you,

‘You must be born again.

4:

23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true

worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth;

for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 

24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must

worship in spirit and truth.

6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing.

The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

This is where all the gray areas are dismissed. 

The Logos is not knowledge of good and evil,

it is in discerning God/not God. The world sees many

things as good that are in truth anti-Christ.

Revelation 2:7 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.

[Starise]

35 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Is it strange to you that there was no real blood of the covenant then?

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14 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Something upon which life and death hangs

cannot be treated merely as symbolic.

Christ's blood shed for us was not symbolic. Maybe you misunderstand. I was referring to the symbolic representation of Christ's blood and death through observing the Lord's table.

[Anne2]

8 minutes ago, Starise said:

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Christ's blood shed for us was not symbolic. Maybe you misunderstand. I was referring to the symbolic representation of Christ's blood and death through observing the Lord's table.

He said it was the blood of the new covenant. My point was to your question to me. That question is a TWO WAY STREET. Finding it strange can be applied both ways. 

However I think a clue to this might be, let me repeat might be, helped in looking at the original passover lamb, and the memorial of it in Judaism. Also why is it the topic of the thread?  

Edited September 6, 2023 by Anne2

[Mr. M]

5 minutes ago, Starise said:

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Christ's blood shed for us was not symbolic. Maybe you misunderstand. I was referring to the symbolic representation of Christ's blood and death through observing the Lord's table.

I understand, and so state that the observance of the Lord's Table

is not merely a symbolic representation, it is an act of obedience

by which we enter corporately into His Presence, as He promised,

"when 2 or more"...even as participating in water baptism is not

merely a symbolic act. No act of obedience to the Word of Christ

is without Power, and God's Purpose.