The Problem With Evolution Part 2- Animals

[FreeGrace]

6 hours ago, LisaLola said:

BeyondET said: 

You need to chill, I said if that is what you are thinking is pretty much a question.

You need to stop making assumptions...with a question mark.

I got a chuckle from this.  That is what you did all the time in the other thread.  lol

[FreeGrace]

5 hours ago, LisaLola said:

I am learning about “ Dust”.  reading what it means in Gods word...a very interesting subject.

Adam was formed from the dust of the ground...by the Living word of God...,” “ Amazing “

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

What it means is that the chemical that are found in the ground are also found in our bodies.

[FreeGrace]

10 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

FreeGrace said: 

You are demonstrating a lot of irrelevancy.

Nope.  Completing the passage.

Certain individuals use the partial passage to try and show that the earth created all living things from a single progenitor, not that God used the elements He had just spoken into existence to create the entire animal kingdom and man in a single day.

Thanks for the explanation.  I wasn't seeing any connection.

[RV_Wizard]

10 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Those who have studied the actual words that Moses used in writing Genesis 1, know that the words "tohu wabohu" describe total destruction, just as those 2 words do in the other 2 contexts where they occur;  Jer 4:23 and Isa 34:11.

No they don't.

Tohu on its own appears elsewhere in the Bible, but bohu never appears on its own, and may be a kind of nonsense word meant to accompany tohu in an alliterative pattern. It appears likely, therefore, that the term tohu and bohu was designed to express the primordial state of the universe before creation. Thus, the two other places that phrase tohu and bohu appears in the Bible probably used the term with some form of this story in mind. A look at each of these sources can help us better understand what the terms convey.  source

The idea that the earth was previously well formed and then became a wasteland is a manner of false teaching called Gap theory; that there is an enormous time gap between Genesis 1;1 and Genesis 1:2.  You're being spoon fed lies by people who are attempting to find a way to believe in an aged earth.

[LisaLola]

4 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

I got a chuckle from this.  That is what you did all the time in the other thread.  lol

Please stop your accusations...or you will get this thread locked as well.

Keep your negative non discussion thoughts to yourself and discuss the topic.

NOT THE POSTER.

[LisaLola]

6 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

What it means is that the chemical that are found in the ground are also found in our bodies.

What it means is, we are descendants from Adam, therefore he was formed from dust, so all humans bodies will go back into the dust.

Because all humans are related to Adam.

He was the first of the human race.

Edited December 30, 2023 by LisaLola

[FreeGrace]

12 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

FreeGrace said: 

Those who have studied the actual words that Moses used in writing Genesis 1, know that the words "tohu wabohu" describe total destruction, just as those 2 words do in the other 2 contexts where they occur;  Jer 4:23 and Isa 34:11.

No they don't.

They do, but you are free to think otherwise.

12 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

Tohu on its own appears elsewhere in the Bible, but bohu never appears on its own, and may be a kind of nonsense word meant to accompany tohu in an alliterative pattern.

Please go to biblehub.com and see how "tohu" is translated elsewhere.  You will see words like "chaos", "waste" "wasteplace" "desolation", etc.

Since bohu occurs 3 times with tohu, it is EASY to see how the words are used.  And they CANNOT mean totally different things.

12 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

It appears likely, therefore, that the term tohu and bohu was designed to express the primordial state of the universe before creation.

Well, we know that's untrue because God SPOKE the universe into existence.  You are still demonstrating your refusal to acknowledge the difference between 'bara' and 'asah'.  If there WERE a "primoridal state of the universe before creation", then where did that come from BEFORE creation?  You are contradicting FACTS.

Before creation there was nothing.  And then God SPOKE it all into existence.  Psa 33:6,9

12 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

Thus, the two other places that phrase tohu and bohu appears in the Bible probably used the term with some form of this story in mind.

I took note of your use of "probably" and see that you are just guessing.  But I don't have to guess because I can easily read Jer 4:23 and Isa 34:11 and realize that tohu wabohu was used to describe the total destruction of the land.  So it means the same thing in Gen 1:2 and "but the earth became tohu wabohu" proves an old earth.

The LXX translated the conjunction in v.2 as "but" so they recognized a contrast between v.1 and 2.  And the verb 'hayah' in that exact same form is commonly translated as either became or become.

So the earth DID become an uninhabited wasteland.  And God restored it.

12 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

A look at each of these sources can help us better understand what the terms convey.  source

"The idea that the earth was previously well formed and then became a wasteland is a manner of false teaching called Gap theory; that there is an enormous time gap between Genesis 1;1 and Genesis 1:2.  You're being spoon fed lies by people who are attempting to find a way to believe in an aged earth.

Edit:  I missed this last part of your post, so will address it now.

By comparing tohu wabohu in ALL 3 contexts, we KNOW the words do NOT describe original creation.

Further, if the traditional transation of v.1-2 are correct, there is a direct contradiction with Isa 45:18.  

Either God DID or DID NOT create the earth tohu.

The faulty English translations says He did.  Isa 45:18 plainly says He DID NOT.

 

Edited December 30, 2023 by FreeGrace

[LisaLola]

37 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Jesus made that analogy in the parable of the soils.

No, Peter was referring to our new nature, the born AGAIN nature when the Holy Spirit RE-generates our dead human spirit.

To receive our new nature in Christ...then we must be Born Again by Gods Living seed...the Holy Spirit....Spirit gives birth to spirit 

37 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

But let's not go there again, or this thread may get closed too.

Let’s not go there?

This is a discussion board,

No...it says exactly what God’s word says it says.

We are Born Again by the Living seed of God that’s his Living word.....Gods word isn’t dead.....the Living seed is ...The Holy Spirit....we are Born Again of incorruptable seed....which is the seed of God.

1 Peter 1

KJV

1 Peter 1:23

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible,by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Edited December 30, 2023 by LisaLola

[FreeGrace]

8 minutes ago, LisaLola said:

FreeGrace said: 

I got a chuckle from this.  That is what you did all the time in the other thread.  lol

Please stop your accusations

Dear lady, go back and read your posts.  You included a question mark to most of your sentences.  And they weren't questions.

8 minutes ago, LisaLola said:

...or you will get this thread locked as well.

An accusation of a fact isn't an ad hominem.  

8 minutes ago, LisaLola said:

Keep your negative non discussion thoughts to yourself and discuss the topic.

NOT THE POSTER.

I was commenting on the postING, not the poster.

[FreeGrace]

8 minutes ago, LisaLola said:

What it means is, we are descendants from Adam, therefore he was formed from dust, so all humans bodies will go back into the dust.

Because all humans are related to Adam.

He was the first of the human race.

And our bodies are made up of the same chemicals that are found in soil.