Buzzard3 Posted September 25, 2023 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 271 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 53 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/25/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Stan Murff said: All true... UNLESS you start doing sinful things!.... Then, not so much. That's right ... God's promise of salvation is conditional ... which should be obvious from reading the following verses: "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you." (1Cor 9-11) "Now the works of the flesh are plain: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God". (Gal 5:19-21) "As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, but as he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in all your conduct; since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.” And if you invoke as Father him who judges each one impartially according to his deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile." (1Peter 1:14-17) "Strive ... for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord." (Heb 12:14) Furthermore, James 2:24 says a man is justified (saved) by faith and works ... works being another way of saying, obedience. Edited September 25, 2023 by Buzzard3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted September 25, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,472 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 2,323 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Author Share Posted September 25, 2023 On 9/23/2023 at 7:58 AM, Buzzard3 said: That's true, but the love of God doesn't make you immune from the justice of God, who will judge your sins, which can prevent you from reaching Heaven and thus be eternally separated from God ... as the following Scriptures point out: "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you." (1Cor 9-11) "Now the works of the flesh are plain: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God". (Gal 5:19-21) "As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, but as he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in all your conduct; since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.” And if you invoke as Father him who judges each one impartially according to his deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile." (1Peter 1:14-17) "Strive for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord." (Heb 12:14) I don't remember if this post was replied to, but two of those verses deal with not receiving a kingdom reward, which is not the same as eternal salvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farouk Posted September 25, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,558 Content Per Day: 12.21 Reputation: 3,346 Days Won: 31 Joined: 11/18/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted September 25, 2023 On 9/16/2023 at 10:51 PM, Tristen said: 'Once saved, always saved' is interesting as a matter of doctrine. But regardless, we each need to be assured that we are in the 'Now saved' category; working out our own salvation before God (Philippians 2:12). 2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified. @Tristen Another good verse from Philippians: 1.6: "He that hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farouk Posted September 25, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,558 Content Per Day: 12.21 Reputation: 3,346 Days Won: 31 Joined: 11/18/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted September 25, 2023 @Sower Thanks for the 'like' just now; it's very searching verse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard3 Posted September 25, 2023 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 271 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 53 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/25/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted September 25, 2023 5 hours ago, Vine Abider said: I don't remember if this post was replied to, but two of those verses deal with not receiving a kingdom reward, which is not the same as eternal salvation. Inheriting the kingdom of God is another way of saying "eternal salvation". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted September 25, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 202 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,472 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 2,323 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Author Share Posted September 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, Buzzard3 said: Inheriting the kingdom of God is another way of saying "eternal salvation". That would explain why you equate those verses with possibly loosing one's eternal salvation. A large percentage of Christians, including myself, see the kingdom reign as being 1,000 years, as discussed in Revelation 20:1-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boy Stan Murf Posted September 25, 2023 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,027 Content Per Day: 4.56 Reputation: 279 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted September 25, 2023 God's Word tells us what His Kingdom is.... Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. There only 2 kingdoms we can live under and be in agreement with. The Kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ (Romans 14:17) which is living under His Domain, in agreement with Him, being led by the Holy Ghost Who can to lead us into ALL Truth and God's Word is that Truth OR, one is living under the kingdom of the god of this world which is living under satan's domain, in agreement with him, being led by the flesh which is low riding on the highway to hell. To live under someone's kingdom is to live under their influence so Christians living in sin can say they are in God's Kingdom... but they aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted September 25, 2023 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 244 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,000 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,916 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted September 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, Stan Murff said: God's Word tells us what His Kingdom is.... Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. There only 2 kingdoms we can live under and be in agreement with. The Kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ (Romans 14:17) which is living under His Domain, in agreement with Him, being led by the Holy Ghost Who can to lead us into ALL Truth and God's Word is that Truth OR, one is living under the kingdom of the god of this world which is living under satan's domain, in agreement with him, being led by the flesh which is low riding on the highway to hell. To live under someone's kingdom is to live under their influence so Christians living in sin can say they are in God's Kingdom... but they aren't. I miss my days leading services and calling for testimonies from the congregation. Some testimonies were from returning Christians who had backslidden for a season, and been led back to repentance by the Holy Spirit, following input and ministry from the body of Christ at large. Rom 2:4 Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, and the forbearance and long-suffering, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? One lady in the congregation had a brother who had been a member of the notorious Mongrel Mob. We spent a whole service on his testimony of conversion and his ministry to gangs. Rom 2:4 Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, and the forbearance and long-suffering, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted September 25, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,090 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 501 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted September 25, 2023 On 9/23/2023 at 4:26 PM, Vine Abider said: Too far and not true. This is missing a very clear concept of progressive salvation in the New Testament - we have been saved; we are being saved; and we will be saved. "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God — not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9 read verse 10 I am very physcally sick today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted September 25, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,090 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 501 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted September 25, 2023 skipped to here, not keeping up I am very physcally sick today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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