Man & woman created on 6th day or later?

[Truswell]

On 9/29/2023 at 7:34 PM, DearJudy,OurLord said:

Hello  I’m trying to understand genesis 1:27 where it says that God so created mankind in his own image in the image of God, he created them male and female, who created them

then genesis 1:31 says God saw all that he had made, and it was very good and there was evening, and that was morning the sixth day.

Then, in the account of Adam and Eve, in chapter 2, it looks like he created man alone to tend the garden but if Adam was naming the animals and tending the garden, how can that all be done in one day and then God made the woman.
 

Can someone explain ?

It wasn't done in one of our days based on the rotation of earth and sun. The universe is far, far bigger than our tiny planet. The Hebrew word for day is yome, and it simply means a period of time of any duration. To give an example, we are living in the seventh day, and look how long the seventh day is. And it isn't finished yet.

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[Revelation Man]

On 9/29/2023 at 1:34 PM, DearJudy,OurLord said:

Hello  I’m trying to understand genesis 1:27 where it says that God so created mankind in his own image in the image of God, he created them male and female, who created them

then genesis 1:31 says God saw all that he had made, and it was very good and there was evening, and that was morning the sixth day.

Then, in the account of Adam and Eve, in chapter 2, it looks like he created man alone to tend the garden but if Adam was naming the animals and tending the garden, how can that all be done in one day and then God made the woman.
 

Can someone explain ?

I wrote a blog on this a good while back on Quora, they wanted me to join the partners program but I like my freedom. I have also placed this on a few atheist sites I frequent to try and show them that just because some Christians see the universe as 6000-10,000 yeas old, not all of us are buying that thesis at all. So, the blog below speaks for itself, its a rudimentary thesis, which basically is true, imho, but of course the exact timelines can not be known. 

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I as a 30 year Christian try to think outside the box of normality. Is the universe 6000 years old? Is the universe 13.7 billion years old? Do these two questions clash or is there a translation barrier !! This is how I think. I try to bring both poles of thought towards each other starting with the facts. We know the universe has to be over 6000 years old because we see light from stars that are millions of light years away, so we would have to be naive to think the universe is 6000 years old.

Onward to what Genesis says about creation, does it really say the universe or earth is 6000 years old? I don’t think it does, I think its a mistranslation of a primitive language that had only around 4000 words at the time Genesis was written, whereas the English language today has 500,000 words. So many of the Hebrew words were used in multiple ways. For instance the original meaning of the Hebrew word YOWM (Day) means “to be hot” and there are at least 50 other meanings listed in Strong’s concordance’s lexicon of Hebrew words. A year, a month, a period of time, chronicles, evening and morning (Beginning and end), age, perpetually, long, some time, whole, X required season, continually etc. etc., well you get the point.

YOWM or “To be hot”, what would this mean and why was it used since God is supposed to have given Moses the first five books of the Torah. Well when the universe was spoken into existence by God, it took 400 million years for the first stars to form. So the first Day (to be hot) was the Evening (Darkness, 400 million years of darkness) and the Morning ( The stars started forming) and the first day was a “period of time” and in my opinion it lasted from 13.7 Billion BC until 4.5 Billion BC (9.2 Billion years) when the Sun & Earth were formed. So lets take a second and look at the Bible and the WMAP research and see if this matches.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Now look below at the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) which launched in 2001 and won many awards, they mapped the whole universe out via radar. Below as we see, you had Quantum Fluctuations which I contend is God, then you had Inflation, followed by Afterglow, followed by 400 million years of Darkness !! Just like the bible says in verse 2, and there was Darkness on the Face of the Deep !! Gods word is perfect, it is us who are confused. Dark Ages mapped out by the WMAP, followed by what? The first stars forming at the 400 million year mark. Verse three says what? and God said “Let there be light” God is right again. We are looking at Creation from Gods POV, no man was there of course and with God he is not subject to time, he created time for us via this universe, but He is eternal and thus was never created. Remember the verse, a thousand years is like a day and a day like unto a thousand years unto God. In other words God lives in the past, present and future all at the same time.

So we had the Big Bang(God speaks creation into existence), followed by Inflation, followed by Cosmic Microwave background where after 375,000 years loose electrons cool enough to combine with protons. The Universe becomes Transparent to Light. The Microwave background begins to shine. Then the dark ages/clouds of dark hydrogen gas cool and coalesce.

The first stars appear….Gas Clouds collapse, the fusion of Stars begin, the first of which appears at about 400 million years after the big bang. So, when the bible says Darkness was on the face of the deep, God knew exactly what was happening in the very beginning !! The more we look for the answers, the more that science and the bible will converge, if both sides with differing viewpoints would only take their blinders off.

The second day (period of time) of course would be from the Earth & the Suns formation until the grasses and trees came forth on the Third day (period of time) then on the Fourth day it seems God Set the Seasons or placed the Moon in its perfect orbit where our seasons are not strange, but orderly, I know the moon and earth is supposed to have collided. Anyway, that set the seasons, times, years etc. etc. Mind you, all of these ideas are rudimentary observations. A theory of how the things God says in His Holy Word and known Science can both be factual. They are not meant to imply everything went down just so and in like manner, the dates of course are guesstimates, I wasn’t there.

On the Fifth day God created the Sea animals/birds and what not, were the Dinos created here or with the land animals? The fifth day lasted 300 million to 400 million years or so. On the Sixth Day around 300–350 Million BC God created the Land Animals. During this period of time the Dinosaurs became extinct about 70 Million years ago. Then during this “TIME PERIOD” (6TH DAY) God decided to create man 6000 or so years ago. Some might protest that men have been around much longer, but I offer this up, where is the data? Men are record keepers and we don’t have proof of men going back further. Now as per “MEN” being observed by scientists to have been around X Number of years(some say 100,000 or so years), I never said Animal like men weren’t around, I stated Human Beings were created 6000 years ago, when God placed His spirit in us and thus we became immortal in that our souls can not die. We were at that point in time “Created in Gods Image”. The other fossils and bones mean nothing, because Scientists have no way of testing for when God imparted His spirit into mankind and thus created us “Human Beings” who have powerful powerful intellects and a conscience of being.

On the Seventh Day God rested, which only means He ceased Creating the Heavens/Earth/Mankind/Animals. So when we see stars and galaxies created or forming still today, it was ordered forth 13.7 Billion years ago. So its not necessarily either or. We need to start looking at things with an open mind, be we an atheist or a Christian.

P.S. Just something to think about. Einstein’s theory of relativity is in the very first verse of the bible, relatively speaking…LOL.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning (TIME) God created the heaven(SPACE) and the earth(MATTER).

[Truswell]

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I wrote a blog on this a good while back on Quora, they wanted me to join the partners program but I like my freedom. I have also placed this on a few atheist sites I frequent to try and show them that just because some Christians see the universe as 6000-10,000 yeas old, not all of us are buying that thesis at all. So, the blog below speaks for itself, its a rudimentary thesis, which basically is true, imho, but of course the exact timelines can not be known. 

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I as a 30 year Christian try to think outside the box of normality. Is the universe 6000 years old? Is the universe 13.7 billion years old? Do these two questions clash or is there a translation barrier !! This is how I think. I try to bring both poles of thought towards each other starting with the facts. We know the universe has to be over 6000 years old because we see light from stars that are millions of light years away, so we would have to be naive to think the universe is 6000 years old.

Onward to what Genesis says about creation, does it really say the universe or earth is 6000 years old? I don’t think it does, I think its a mistranslation of a primitive language that had only around 4000 words at the time Genesis was written, whereas the English language today has 500,000 words. So many of the Hebrew words were used in multiple ways. For instance the original meaning of the Hebrew word YOWM (Day) means “to be hot” and there are at least 50 other meanings listed in Strong’s concordance’s lexicon of Hebrew words. A year, a month, a period of time, chronicles, evening and morning (Beginning and end), age, perpetually, long, some time, whole, X required season, continually etc. etc., well you get the point.

YOWM or “To be hot”, what would this mean and why was it used since God is supposed to have given Moses the first five books of the Torah. Well when the universe was spoken into existence by God, it took 400 million years for the first stars to form. So the first Day (to be hot) was the Evening (Darkness, 400 million years of darkness) and the Morning ( The stars started forming) and the first day was a “period of time” and in my opinion it lasted from 13.7 Billion BC until 4.5 Billion BC (9.2 Billion years) when the Sun & Earth were formed. So lets take a second and look at the Bible and the WMAP research and see if this matches.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Now look below at the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) which launched in 2001 and won many awards, they mapped the whole universe out via radar. Below as we see, you had Quantum Fluctuations which I contend is God, then you had Inflation, followed by Afterglow, followed by 400 million years of Darkness !! Just like the bible says in verse 2, and there was Darkness on the Face of the Deep !! Gods word is perfect, it is us who are confused. Dark Ages mapped out by the WMAP, followed by what? The first stars forming at the 400 million year mark. Verse three says what? and God said “Let there be light” God is right again. We are looking at Creation from Gods POV, no man was there of course and with God he is not subject to time, he created time for us via this universe, but He is eternal and thus was never created. Remember the verse, a thousand years is like a day and a day like unto a thousand years unto God. In other words God lives in the past, present and future all at the same time.

So we had the Big Bang(God speaks creation into existence), followed by Inflation, followed by Cosmic Microwave background where after 375,000 years loose electrons cool enough to combine with protons. The Universe becomes Transparent to Light. The Microwave background begins to shine. Then the dark ages/clouds of dark hydrogen gas cool and coalesce.

The first stars appear….Gas Clouds collapse, the fusion of Stars begin, the first of which appears at about 400 million years after the big bang. So, when the bible says Darkness was on the face of the deep, God knew exactly what was happening in the very beginning !! The more we look for the answers, the more that science and the bible will converge, if both sides with differing viewpoints would only take their blinders off.

The second day (period of time) of course would be from the Earth & the Suns formation until the grasses and trees came forth on the Third day (period of time) then on the Fourth day it seems God Set the Seasons or placed the Moon in its perfect orbit where our seasons are not strange, but orderly, I know the moon and earth is supposed to have collided. Anyway, that set the seasons, times, years etc. etc. Mind you, all of these ideas are rudimentary observations. A theory of how the things God says in His Holy Word and known Science can both be factual. They are not meant to imply everything went down just so and in like manner, the dates of course are guesstimates, I wasn’t there.

On the Fifth day God created the Sea animals/birds and what not, were the Dinos created here or with the land animals? The fifth day lasted 300 million to 400 million years or so. On the Sixth Day around 300–350 Million BC God created the Land Animals. During this period of time the Dinosaurs became extinct about 70 Million years ago. Then during this “TIME PERIOD” (6TH DAY) God decided to create man 6000 or so years ago. Some might protest that men have been around much longer, but I offer this up, where is the data? Men are record keepers and we don’t have proof of men going back further. Now as per “MEN” being observed by scientists to have been around X Number of years(some say 100,000 or so years), I never said Animal like men weren’t around, I stated Human Beings were created 6000 years ago, when God placed His spirit in us and thus we became immortal in that our souls can not die. We were at that point in time “Created in Gods Image”. The other fossils and bones mean nothing, because Scientists have no way of testing for when God imparted His spirit into mankind and thus created us “Human Beings” who have powerful powerful intellects and a conscience of being.

On the Seventh Day God rested, which only means He ceased Creating the Heavens/Earth/Mankind/Animals. So when we see stars and galaxies created or forming still today, it was ordered forth 13.7 Billion years ago. So its not necessarily either or. We need to start looking at things with an open mind, be we an atheist or a Christian.

P.S. Just something to think about. Einstein’s theory of relativity is in the very first verse of the bible, relatively speaking…LOL.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning (TIME) God created the heaven(SPACE) and the earth(MATTER).

Atheists turn to science, so let us do that.

Creation
DAY 1 (Between 4 billion and 5 billion years ago. The Sun is dated at 4.5 billion years old, satisfyingly close to the 4.56-billion-year age of the Solar System as found from the study of meteorites.)

The Bible says: "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

DAY 2 (Ediacaran Era, began about 600 million years ago.)

The Bible says: "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."

DAY 3 (Prechmbrian Era, began about 542 million years ago.

The Bible says: "Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day."

DAY 4 (Paleozoic Era ended about 251 million years ago. From the Greek meaning "Old Animals." Numerous fishes, other sea life; many plants, first trees; wingless insects, swampy forests. Most species became extinct but the tree and plant life remained.) This catastrophic event would account for the blotting out the sun which reappeared later in day four?)

The Paleozoic is bracketed by two of the most important events in the history of animal life. At its beginning, multi-celled animals underwent a dramatic explosion in diversity, and almost all living animal phyla appeared within a few millions of years.

At the other end of the Paleozoic Era, the largest mass extinction in history wiped out approximately 90% of all marine animal species. The causes of both these events are still not fully understood and the subject of much research and controversy. (This in my opinion is when the sun reappeared.) Roughly halfway in between, animals, fungi, and plants alike colonized the land, the insects took to the air.

The Bible says about day 4: "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."

DAY 5 (Mesozoic Era, ended about 65 million years ago. Popular name: Age of Reptiles, they evolved from whales and sea life.)

The Bible says: "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day."

DAY 6 Cenozoic Era. This era began about 65 million years ago and includes the  geological present including humankind. Popular name: Age of Mammals.

The Bible says: "Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."

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[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, Truswell said:

Creation
DAY 1 (Between 4 billion and 5 billion years ago. The Sun is dated at 4.5 billion years old, satisfyingly close to the 4.56-billion-year age of the Solar System as found from the study of meteorites.)

The Bible says: "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

Indeed. this is the Solar system we live ins age, 4.5 billion years, the planets always form around a nebula (gas clouds) and thus every planet revolves around our Sun (star). The universe is much older than out Solar system however, sitting at 13.7 billion years old. When God says He created the Heaven's and the Earth and the earth was without form & void He means it was not yet there for 9.2 billion years, He just ordered creation to come forth. Just like stars that still form today, when God "technically" is at Rest on the "7th day" meaning God created these new stars 13.7 billion years ago, not today. God lives outside of time. His order went forth at that time. 

Also notice, God moved on the face of the waters, then said "Let there be Light" but why in that order? Well, light that is nit reflected or refracted is nothing but a straight beam that will not illuminate much of anything, just look outside out bio-dome, its much darker. So, God trapped moisture in our hemisphere (Bio-dome) and that illuminates our earth. Every verse, when digested, studied and thought through can be understood. Even the Fourth Day creating light "again", its nit really creating light again, its God showing us how He used the moon to create days, nights, seasons and orderly weather, without this moon satellite life on earth would be nigh impossible.

Since the 2nd say starts with the Land & Firmament (Sky) then that has to be 4.5 billion years ago.  So, our timings do not mesh, but you get the gist of it. 

[Truswell]

6 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Indeed. this is the Solar system we live ins age, 4.5 billion years, the planets always form around a nebula (gas clouds) and thus every planet revolves around our Sun (star). The universe is much older than out Solar system however, sitting at 13.7 billion years old. When God says He created the Heaven's and the Earth and the earth was without form & void He means it was not yet there for 9.2 billion years, He just ordered creation to come forth. Just like stars that still form today, when God "technically" is at Rest on the "7th day" meaning God created these new stars 13.7 billion years ago, not today. God lives outside of time. His order went forth at that time. 

Also notice, God moved on the face of the waters, then said "Let there be Light" but why in that order? Well, light that is nit reflected or refracted is nothing but a straight beam that will not illuminate much of anything, just look outside out bio-dome, its much darker. So, God trapped moisture in our hemisphere (Bio-dome) and that illuminates our earth. Every verse, when digested, studied and thought through can be understood. Even the Fourth Day creating light "again", its nit really creating light again, its God showing us how He used the moon to create days, nights, seasons and orderly weather, without this moon satellite life on earth would be nigh impossible.

Since the 2nd say starts with the Land & Firmament (Sky) then that has to be 4.5 billion years ago.  So, our timings do not mesh, but you get the gist of it. 

The wonder of it is God's divine inspiration to a primitive people, millions of years before the word 'science' ever existed.

Water is hydrogen and oxygen, the basic building blocks of all living things, and it was there in the beginning 13.7 years ago.

I feel like saying "PRAISE GOD."

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Edited October 4, 2023 by Truswell

[Know Jah]

Genesis is not written in chronological order. Also God days are not 24hrs. Man was created and some time went by then God created Adam. All within the 6th creative day. 2Peter 3:8 states "a day with God as 1000 years"

God's time is not like limited man's time

[enoob57]

24 minutes ago, Know Jah said:

Genesis is not written in chronological order. Also God days are not 24hrs. Man was created and some time went by then God created Adam. All within the 6th creative day. 2Peter 3:8 states "a day with God as 1000 years"

God's time is not like limited man's time

God's time is like He states it in Genesis chapter 1 !!!  Six literal 24 hour days... anything else departs from the literal interpretation of God's Word thus is becomes no longer a literal interpretation of His Word... but what men think...

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Genesis is not written in chronological order.

Lets see day 1, day 2, day 3, day 4, day 5, day 6... what would you call this?

[Truswell]

14 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

God's time is like He states it in Genesis chapter 1 !!!  Six literal 24 hour days... anything else departs from the literal interpretation of God's Word thus is becomes no longer a literal interpretation of His Word... but what men think...

Lets see day 1, day 2, day 3, day 4, day 5, day 6... what would you call this?

In answer to your question, I would say this is day 7. May I ask how many hours have elapsed up to the present time.

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[enoob57]

2 minutes ago, Truswell said:

In answer to your question, I would say this is day 7. May I ask how many hours have elapsed up to the present time.

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It has been 6,000 plus years since creation... or 2,190,000 plus days

[Truswell]

11 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

It has been 6,000 plus years since creation... or 2,190,000 plus days

That is more than twenty-four hours.

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