Question for those who believe Gog invades the promised land before the millinium

[Shilohsfoal]

3 hours ago, WilliamL said:

This passage in Luke prophesies of the Roman destruction of Jerusalem during the Jewish War of 66-73 AD. It has nothing to do with the Latter Days, except for the final words: "and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."

Jesus provided this prophecy in answer to the Disciples' question about when the destruction of their Temple would occur:

Luke 21:6 “These things which you see [they were viewing the Temple]—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down.”

Luke 21 has nothing at all to do with the Gog-Magog war.

No,it's not about the Romans .It's about the coming of Christ in which the word of God says in many different books that Israel will be led away captive into all nations on the day of the Lord.

Take not of Jesus coming in the cloud of heaven.And np,this has nothing to do with Gog This is about the Islamic jihad that conquers Israel.Verse 24 is about Israel falling by the sword and going into captivity ,verse 25 is about the great tribulation  and verse 27 about Christ being seen coming in the clouds.

 

Luke 21

²⁰ And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

²¹ Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

²² For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

²³ But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

²⁴ And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

²⁵ And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

 

²⁶ Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

²⁷ And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

 

 

After Islamic jihad has overtaken Israel,you are going to wonder how you went wrong.

Edited October 18, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

3 hours ago, AdHoc said:

In many prophecies the prophecy skips over time that is of no consequence to that prophecy. Joel is an example. Daniel is another. So in Luke 21 the verses up to verse 24 all speak of the time immediate to 70 AD. Then verse 25 abruptly jumps to the day of the Lord at the end of the age. A whole 1,900 plus years are left out. Why? Because during this time Israel is dispersed, God's House has changed from the Temple on  Moriah to the human spirit (Jn.4:23-24) and the age belongs to the Gentiles.

No,Luke isn't jumping around.

Luke's Olivet account is little different than Mathew and mark but it's an account of the same speech Jesus gave.

Luke 21:21 is about them in judea fleeing when they see the abomination of desolation in mathew and verse 22 is about all things written are fulfilled which things did not take place in 70 ad.Verse 23 is about the great tribulation Jesus spoke of in Mathew 24 and Mark 13.Verse 24 is about Israel being overcome by its enemies .

Everything in these verses is all future.A very near future .

 

 

Luke 21

²¹ Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

²² For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

²³ But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

²⁴ And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

²⁵ And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

 

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Diaste]

22 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

According to Jesus,he comes when the Israelis fall by the sword and are led away captive into all nations.

Pay close attention to what is written.If Gog is soon to match,then it is after Christ comes in verse 27 .

 

Luke 21

²⁰ And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

²¹ Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

²² For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

²³ But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

²⁴ And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

 

²⁵ And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

²⁶ Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

²⁷ And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

I don't think Gog is the perpetrator of the A of D. Gog is on the march after the A of D, imo. At Armageddon there needs to be so many people slain in the valley that blood can flow 3 feet deep for 200 miles. That requires a vast multitude, probably as much as two billion. That's going to take time to amass that large a force.

Gog is slain on the mountains in vast numbers very quickly as is depicted in Eze 38.

I don't really know what you're seeing in the quoted passage you posted. I'm afraid I don't see what you are pointing out. 

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, Diaste said:

I don't think Gog is the perpetrator of the A of D. Gog is on the march after the A of D, imo. At Armageddon there needs to be so many people slain in the valley that blood can flow 3 feet deep for 200 miles. That requires a vast multitude, probably as much as two billion. That's going to take time to amass that large a force.

Gog is slain on the mountains in vast numbers very quickly as is depicted in Eze 38.

I don't really know what you're seeing in the quoted passage you posted. I'm afraid I don't see what you are pointing out. 

As I've plainly stated.Gog comes against Israel after the millinium.

It's the United states armed forces that place the abomination of desolation.It will be placed in many cities throughout the middle east.Jesus only mentioned jerusalem but the US armed forces will desolate many cities.Damascus will be another for example.It takes place after the Muslim jihad has conquered Israel and are celebrating their conquest in Jerusalem.

They will be instantly consumed as they stand upon their feet.And many will see and give glory to God saying Allahu Akbar meaning God is most great just before they die.

Gog does not come to Jerusalem when it is desolated.Christ and the resurected saints do.

Zech 14

⁵ And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

 

The people fleeing in zech 14:5 are fleeing from the abomination of desolation  which the armed forces place in Jerusalem.After that,the saints of Israel recieve the kingdom,and they shall live there in peace without walls or fences.

 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Montana Marv]

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

At Armageddon there needs to be so many people slain in the valley that blood can flow 3 feet deep for 200 miles. That requires a vast multitude, probably as much as two billion. That's going to take time to amass that large a force.

Yes indeed

If 200,000,000 on horses from China occupy approx 230 sq miles at 32/sq ft each, another 1.8 billion on foot would occupy another approx 690 sq miles at 10/sq ft each.  This is packed like sardines.  A horde of a total of 920 sq miles trying to fit into a 180 sq mile valley. (size of Valley of Megiddo)  How many days would it take this horde to feed into this valley?  Maybe 30 days.  A one mile wide band extends 920 miles.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

Yes indeed

If 200,000,000 on horses from China occupy approx 230 sq miles at 32/sq ft each, another 1.8 billion on foot would occupy another approx 690 sq miles at 10/sq ft each.  This is packed like sardines.  A horde of a total of 920 sq miles trying to fit into a 180 sq mile valley. (size of Valley of Megiddo)  How many days would it take this horde to feed into this valley?  Maybe 30 days.  A one mile wide band extends 920 miles.

In Christ

Montana Marv

China is not involved with armegeddon.

Nor is Russia 

Islamic jihad at the time of the end consists of multitudes of Muslims which are told to attack Dajalls army and kill all Jews.Hadith calls for all Muslims to be involved helping to win jihad and if someone does not help in someway they are considered an enemy of Allah.If you pay close attention to the Islamic Hadith ,then you would learn that Dajall will kill and torment Muslims for three years and there will be a three year drought as a sign.All Muslims are told to attack after the three year drought.Comparing this to revelation we find that the ten horns and the beast which ascends out of the abyss and kills the two witnesses who have been killing and tormenting them after a severe three year drought.

It's not China.It is Islam.

I don't normally talk about what the ten horns and the beast from the abyss  believe because I know I have most people on this board at a disadvantage when it comes to the Quran and Hadith .I also know the Quran and Hadith to be full of lies but the beast from the abyss and the ten horns believe it enough to go into perdition.All of the Muslims  will be killed in the promised land ,Egypt and Iran.All Muslims who come for this jihad from everywhere are all destroyed.

[Montana Marv]

4 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

China is not involved with armegeddon.

It sure is.  6th Trumpet - The river Euphrates dries up so this army can cross it.  Since the mid 1970's China has stated it can field an army of 200,000,000 with all its reserves.  And since over 1  1/2 billion people reside between China and the Euphrates River, it is these who are of the 1/3 of mankind which are killed by this horde.

4 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

It's not China.It is Islam.

Islam will be destroyed when they attack Israel before the onset of the 70th Week.

Those involved in Armageddon are the armies from the North (Russia, Turkey and surrounding areas), East (China), South (countries of Africa) and West (which is A/C's European army).

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

It sure is.  6th Trumpet - The river Euphrates dries up so this army can cross it.  Since the mid 1970's China has stated it can field an army of 200,000,000 with all its reserves.  And since over 1  1/2 billion people reside between China and the Euphrates River, it is these who are of the 1/3 of mankind which are killed by this horde.

Islam will be destroyed when they attack Israel before the onset of the 70th Week.

Those involved in Armageddon are the armies from the North (Russia, Turkey and surrounding areas), East (China), South (countries of Africa) and West (which is A/C's European army).

In Christ

Montana Marv

Wrong again.

The armies of the north is NATO which means the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and the south which is the middle eastern countries the king of the north has already invaded twice but you have not paid attention too.

Facts are facts.The united s states of America  supports Israel and after the south which is the Islamic countries who hate Israel's guts overcome Israel as scripture says they do,then the United states armed forces destroy and innihilate about everything in the middle east.

The Euphrates river drying up only affects four countries and much of their livelihood comes from that river.They are Turkey ,Syria,Iraq and Iran and all these want Israel destroyed .China had nothing to gain by having a nuclear  war with the United states and Russia doesn't either.But the Hadith tells Muslims that if they defeat the Dajalls armed forces then Jesus will destroy the Dajall near the gate of Ludd .They also believe ethe entire world will convert to islam after this so they have everything riding on this one war.The war of armegeddon.As of now,Israel has no friends in the middle east.None.After the hospital was bombed they all want israel dead.

Russia -not interested

China- not interested.

Islam -death to Israel.

 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

It sure is.  6th Trumpet - The river Euphrates dries up so this army can cross it.  Since the mid 1970's China has stated it can field an army of 200,000,000 with all its reserves.  And since over 1  1/2 billion people reside between China and the Euphrates River, it is these who are of the 1/3 of mankind which are killed by this horde.

Islam will be destroyed when they attack Israel before the onset of the 70th Week.

Those involved in Armageddon are the armies from the North (Russia, Turkey and surrounding areas), East (China), South (countries of Africa) and West (which is A/C's European army).

In Christ

Montana Marv

You need to learn who says they will go to armegeddon Israel.Russia doesn't openly say they will go nor does China.Muslims openly say Muslims will go to armegeddon Israel and destroy all the Jews.But your not able to see the forest from all the trees.

 

The Hadith: 'You will fight against the Jews and you will gain victory over them. The stones will saying: 'Oh slave of Allah! there is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him'

 

And the United States says it will stick by the Israeli governments  side no matter what.And it does.Even if it means armegeddon.

 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[AdHoc]

22 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

No,Luke isn't jumping around.

Luke's Olivet account is little different than Mathew and mark but it's an account of the same speech Jesus gave.

Luke 21:21 is about them in judea fleeing when they see the abomination of desolation in mathew and verse 22 is about all things written are fulfilled which things did not take place in 70 ad.Verse 23 is about the great tribulation Jesus spoke of in Mathew 24 and Mark 13.Verse 24 is about Israel being overcome by its enemies .

Everything in these verses is all future.A very near future .

 

 

Luke 21

²¹ Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

²² For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

²³ But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

²⁴ And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

²⁵ And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

 

 

You're basically correct, but my observation is also correct. Luke jumps 1900 years between verse 24 and 25. In the verses preceding verse 25, all is about 70 AD. Verse 21 makes the geographical center Judea. Verse 24 shows the murder and dispersion of the "THIS PEOPLE" - Judah. Verse 25 jumps to a set of circumstances that are always connected to the "Day of the Lord". See Isa.13-9-10, Joel 2:10, Acts 2:20 and Revelation 6:12-13.