Dilemma about holy spirit, in Acts 2:14-21

[Ovedya]

The Lord Jesus is Love, His commendments are to Love, I do not see any emotions in Jesus, if you do, let's leave it there.

Holy Father has emotions too ?? Holy Father do not have beginning or end, which is requirement for Emotions, time. Holy Father is Son and Spirit, and they are Love ( true love, not human emotion)

I feel God as Love, if you feel God has anger, rage, or any other human emotion, that mean that Lord Jesus broke His commandment.

much Love !

Sorry, man, I'm not pickin' up what you're layin' down for some reason. Maybe it's the language barrier thing.

God has emotions. Jesus has emotions. The fact that human emotions are fallen does not mean that God's emotions are fallen. Remember that man is made in God's image and likeness. Therefore man was created as a counterpart to Christ - yet without the aspect of being wholly divine. Therefore, man's human virtues were created to mirror God's divine attributes.

The fact that we have the capacity for emoption shows that God also has this same capacity. The main difference is that man's emotions have become fallen, whereas God's are pure: Man's love is selfish, God's love is selfless. Man's anger is unrighteous, God's anger is righteous and just, and so on.

Besides all this, the Bible is abundantly clear that God posesses emotions. Do I need to run through the verses?

[EricH]

Every emotion have beginning and the end, which is measured by time.

Like, something makes you angry, for couple hours, and then you get over it. Or happines about gift you got for your birthday, lasts couple days, and then simply fades away.

That is why in Eternity the only dimension is Love, you love forever.

That is why when people think about Flood and Noah, they say God was Angry, which is

Impossible, in that case God would be Angry forever

But God was angry because he was going, and the angel of the LORD took his stand in the way as an adversary against him. Now he was riding on his donkey and his two servants were with him.

Numbers 22:22 NASB

Our Redeemer, the LORD of hosts is His name, The Holy One of Israel. "Sit silently, and go into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans; For you will no more be called The queen of kingdoms. I was angry with My people, I profaned My heritage, And gave them into your hand. You did not show mercy to them, On the aged you made your yoke very heavy."

Isaiah 47:5-6 NASB

The problem with your statements is that they are not supported from scripture. In the two passages above we have anger being attributed to God by the author, and God claiming anger for Himself. Your error is in thinking that because God is eternal, all of His actions must last eternally. The truth is that it is the the attributes of God that are eternal. These attributes motivate God to take actions based on changing circumstances. So God's attribute of holiness is perfect and eternal. When His holiness is violated, God chooses to respond in anger (notice He does not react, He chooses to respond). Once the situation that violated His eternal attribute of holiness changes, God chooses to cease being angry. Also it explains how God can be loving yet still be angry with sin. Love is an attribute of God. Thus every action God takes is conditioned by all of His attributes (including love) When God judges, He does not cease loving. When God extends mercy, He does not cease being holy. All of God's responses to situations (including His emotions) are conditioned by all of His attributes. He holds them all in perfection.

For example, God judges sin. This judgement is not an attribute. It is God's response to sinful situations based on His attributes of holiness, justice, love, etc. If the person whom God judges repents, God lifts the judgement. He is still holy, but the situation that led Him to respond in judgement has changed.

In the same way as judgement, anger is not an attribute of God. It is a response He gives to a given situation that is conditioned by His eternal attributes. Love is an attribute of God. It is not an emotion. God's attribute of love never stops, but He responds in different times and different ways as a result of that eternal attribute.

I think that is where you are getting confused. Attributes are eternal, because they are part of God's eternal character. God's responses (such as emotions) are motivated by His attributes, and change over time based on changing circumstances and how God chooses to respond as a result of His eternal attributes.

[2nd2n1roc]

Sorry, man, I'm not pickin' up what you're layin' down for some reason. Maybe it's the language barrier thing.

It's like this, (for instance) You driving Ford for 20 years, for you Ford means Everything, and

it is best vehicle for your needs. Then I come, and I tell you, 'Ovedya', Honda is the best

automobile "for the buck" because it is faster, better handling, better gas mileage, cheaper maintenance, and keeps much better value than Ford. I did not say, Ford is garbage, or,

you must buy Honda, if you don't you're crazy. I respect your opinion and do not want you to change your mind.

It is absolutely same pattern with the word. I've expressed what I feel, and you did " pick it up ", obviously, because trying very hard to explain how wrong I am.

God has emotions. Jesus has emotions. The fact that human emotions are fallen does not mean that God's emotions are fallen. Remember that man is made in God's image and likeness. Therefore man was created as a counterpart to Christ - yet without the aspect of being wholly divine. Therefore, man's human virtues were created to mirror God's divine attributes.

1. What Human emotion did Adam have before He fell in Sin ?

2. What Human emotion did God display while creating everything ?

3. What Human emotion did Eve have before she Fell in sin ?

these are my answers :

1. none

2. none

3. Belief

Adam was created Eternal, without chance of being fruitfull and in "multiplying mode",

as eternal counterpart of Christ. He did not feel shame or fear, or any other Emotion.

God's Image and likeness was about Eternal Adam, and Eternal Adam only.

Not Adam whose Love to a Woman defeated God's Love.

Eve in the other hand must of have Belief that God was lying, otherwise she wouldn't mess

with " Tree of knovledge of Good and Evil "

The fact that we have the capacity for emoption shows that God also has this same capacity. The main difference is that man's emotions have become fallen, whereas God's are pure: Man's love is selfish, God's love is selfless. Man's anger is unrighteous, God's anger is righteous and just, and so on.

We are all Sinners, thanks to Adam and Eve, Is God Sinner too, Is He responsible

for Sin ?

What you doing is comparing God with Fallen Man, it sounds like we created God upon our Likeness.

Besides all this, the Bible is abundantly clear that God posesses emotions. Do I need to run through the verses?

What Bible tells me is that people who wrote it believed in Emotional God.

No, all you need to do is enjoy Life, while you still can

[nebula]

So, you are saying

God is never happy

God is never sad

God does not get angry

God does not rejoice

[2nd2n1roc]

So, you are saying

God is never happy

God is never sad

God does not get angry

God does not rejoice

All I am saying is that, in the brokenness of our world, God's reality have aprearance of

almighty creator having emotions.

Reality is, that God is still in process of creating, as someone here mentioned, we are in

late afternoon of the sixt day. Creator in His Divine Perfection can not have nothing but

Love while creating the World He is about to join and live forever with His " Bride "

For me personaly, God is my soul and my spirit, every choice I've made was His, same goes

for the future. And I love every second of my life, because my life is Love.

Angry and sad are not attributes of Perfection, only love is.

[2nd2n1roc]

The problem with your statements is that they are not supported from scripture. In the two passages above we have anger being attributed to God by the author, and God claiming anger for Himself. Your error is in thinking that because God is eternal, all of His actions must last eternally. The truth is that it is the the attributes of God that are eternal. These attributes motivate God to take actions based on changing circumstances. So God's attribute of holiness is perfect and eternal. When His holiness is violated, God chooses to respond in anger (notice He does not react, He chooses to respond). Once the situation that violated His eternal attribute of holiness changes, God chooses to cease being angry. Also it explains how God can be loving yet still be angry with sin. Love is an attribute of God. Thus every action God takes is conditioned by all of His attributes (including love) When God judges, He does not cease loving. When God extends mercy, He does not cease being holy. All of God's responses to situations (including His emotions) are conditioned by all of His attributes. He holds them all in perfection.

Our Lord Jesus did not have Torah under His arm, when answering questions from

Pharisees, and yet His logic has overpowered their believes.

Your belief is that Love is an attribute of God, and I know that God is Love in His pure

perfection. God, as you have noticed yourself, is eternal, in eternity nothing is changing, including circumstances, do you really need scriptures to understand that.

I have started this Topic as idea to discuss meaning of Joel's Prophecy with people that

love and know the truth. Every prophecy is word of God about what is going to happen', in

God's dimension everything have already happened, in Our, we did not get there yet.

We see changes, not God, He have created them. Our Lives are written, lived and " judged ",

before we were born, and it is only Us who see changes in Our lives as God's respond.

And like our Perfect Heavenly Father He can only Love His Children.

Anger, hate, shame are not atributes of perfection in any sense.

For example, God judges sin. This judgement is not an attribute. It is God's response to sinful situations based on His attributes of holiness, justice, love, etc. If the person whom God judges repents, God lifts the judgement. He is still holy, but the situation that led Him to respond in judgement has changed.

In the same way as judgement, anger is not an attribute of God. It is a response He gives to a given situation that is conditioned by His eternal attributes. Love is an attribute of God. It is not an emotion. God's attribute of love never stops, but He responds in different times and different ways as a result of that eternal attribute.

Anger can not be a Judgement, anger can bring wrong judgement and God is perfect.

According to Genesis, Sin was our choice, Prize for sin is death. After our first parents,

we are all sinners by default ( birth ). All of the people born are going to die, because

inescapable sin. There is only one life.

I think that is where you are getting confused. Attributes are eternal, because they are part of God's eternal character. God's responses (such as emotions) are motivated by His attributes, and change over time based on changing circumstances and how God chooses to respond as a result of His eternal attributes.

Changing circumstances require Time, that does not exist in Eternity, and can not be part of eternity. Part of that " never changing Divine God's Character " is Love Note that says :

" Don't gain knowledge of Good and Evil, or you will Die " , from what I see coming out of

your words, you got that Knowledge " in your Pocket " , and If you don't mind,

I would love to stay " Confused "

much time and love !

Peter

[EricH]

" Don't gain knowledge of Good and Evil, or you will Die " , from what I see coming out of

your words, you got that Knowledge " in your Pocket " , and If you don't mind,

I would love to stay " Confused "

much time and love !

Peter

People have called me worse

[2nd2n1roc]

People have called me worse

I didn't call you anything, you called me Confused, remember. Bottom line is who cares what people say about you, Your opinion is the one that matters. Or maybe that is just my opinion.

much respect !

[Ovedya]

I've expressed what I feel, and you did " pick it up ", obviously, because trying very hard to explain how wrong I am.

No, actually I am trying to show you that the evidence from Scripture shows a contrary view of what you are claiming here. Essentially you appear to be saying that emotion is the result of the fall, and that God has no emotions. That is categorically untrue. It's not a matter of being right or wrong, it's a matter of truth.

1. What Human emotion did Adam have before He fell in Sin ?

2. What Human emotion did God display while creating everything ?

3. What Human emotion did Eve have before she Fell in sin ?

these are my answers :

1. none

2. none

3. Belief

And here are my answers:

1) Adam had every human emotion because he was created in the image and likeness of God, who has emotions.

2) God is not required to "display emotions" in His creation. However, His strong desire for a counterpart, a corporate Bride that matches Him in life and in nature, motivated Him to create all things. It is because of God's heart's desire and the good pleasure of His will that He created man and gave Him authority over all things.

The story of Adam's creation and Eve's being built as a counterpart to match him, is a mirrored picture of Christ and the church. Therefore, when God said, I't is not good for man to be alone," this is a direct reflection of God's desire for a counterpart that would match Him.

3) The same emotions that God created her with. Belief is not an emotion. Also, the serpent deceived Eve, she was not motivated by impure emotions to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Deception is a kind of blinding to the truth, it is like a drug that the enemy uses to anesthetize people (1 John 5:19).

Adam was created Eternal, without chance of being fruitfull and in "multiplying mode",

as eternal counterpart of Christ.

This is not supported by the Scriptures at all. Adam was created as a perfect man, without sin and without the sting of death, however, he did not have the eternal life of God. He was givn the choice between eternal life and death. Obviously he chose wrongly. There is also no indication at all from the Scriptures that Adam did not have the capacity to multiply. In fact, God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply before the fall.

He did not feel shame or fear, or any other Emotion.

God's Image and likeness was about Eternal Adam, and Eternal Adam only.

God did not create robots devoid of emotion. Your statement here is not supported by Scripture at all. There is nothing in the first two chapters of Genesis that indicates that emotion is the direct result of the fall.

Not Adam whose Love to a Woman defeated God's Love.

Eve in the other hand must of have Belief that God was lying, otherwise she wouldn't mess

with " Tree of knovledge of Good and Evil "

Suppositions. There is no support from Scripture at all. Belief is not an emotion. Belief is essentially the pacing of absolute trust and confidence in something (a set or body of tenets) or someone. As I stated before, Eve was deceived, blinded by the god of this age, Satan (Gen. 3:13; 1 Tim. 2:14; 1 Cor. 11:3; 2 Cor. 4:4)

Satan does not require the manipulation of human emotion in order to deceive, although he often does. He only needs to cause you to believe strongly in a lie. The word for "deceive" in the Hebrew and Greek respectively means "To mislead; to cheat; to cause to believe."

Emotion is not a requirement for belief in something. I can believe that the sky is blue one day and purple the next, and no amount of motion is required. So emotion can be completely separate from belief.

Much grace,

~O

[2nd2n1roc]

No, actually I am trying to show you that the evidence from Scripture shows a contrary view of what you are claiming here. Essentially you appear to be saying that emotion is the result of the fall, and that God has no emotions. That is categorically untrue. It's not a matter of being right or wrong, it's a matter of truth.

Genesis 2:25 " The man and his wife were both naked and they felt no shame. "

This is contrary to what ?

Genesis 3:7 " Then ( after both of them ate from The tree ) the eyes of both of them were

opened, and they realized they were naked, so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves. "

eyes getting open, and FEAR, as #1 emotion is kicking in

Can you be so kind and find Us a verse proving emotion ( other than Love ) in Adam,

before Sin ?

And here are my answers:

1) Adam had every human emotion because he was created in the image and likeness of God, who has emotions.

2) God is not required to "display emotions" in His creation. However, His strong desire for a counterpart, a corporate Bride that matches Him in life and in nature, motivated Him to create all things. It is because of God's heart's desire and the good pleasure of His will that He created man and gave Him authority over all things.

The story of Adam's creation and Eve's being built as a counterpart to match him, is a mirrored picture of Christ and the church. Therefore, when God said, I't is not good for man to be alone," this is a direct reflection of God's desire for a counterpart that would match Him.

3) The same emotions that God created her with. Belief is not an emotion. Also, the serpent deceived Eve, she was not motivated by impure emotions to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Deception is a kind of blinding to the truth, it is like a drug that the enemy uses to anesthetize people (1 John 5:19).

Here's another one that prooves that Adam did not have fear before " His eyes were open "

Gen. 3:10 " He answered ( Adam ), I heard you in the garden, and I was AFRAID because

I was naked, so I hid . "

Adam have disobeyed God, and steped on the side of Satan, anger, rage, envy, fear, and all other emotions powered by fear define Satan, not God . God is Love. 100 %

Adam was created Eternal, without chance of being fruitfull and in "multiplying mode",

as eternal counterpart of Christ.

This is not supported by the Scriptures at all. Adam was created as a perfect man, without sin and without the sting of death, however, he did not have the eternal life of God. He was givn the choice between eternal life and death. Obviously he chose wrongly. There is also no indication at all from the Scriptures that Adam did not have the capacity to multiply. In fact, God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply before the fall.

" he did not have the eternal life of God " ??

In Genesis 2:9 " ...... In the midle of the Garden were tree of life*, and the tree of knowledge

of good and evil. " and then Genesis 2:16,17.

If He was already mortal what sense would make God's commandement " ..... don't eat of it

or you'll surely die. "

* what does free use of this tree mean to you ?

God did not create robots devoid of emotion. Your statement here is not supported by Scripture at all. There is nothing in the first two chapters of Genesis that indicates that emotion is the direct result of the fall.

He didn't, but Man has created Robots devoid of emotion, for Him, in His Name.

He created Adam, who didn't know nothing but Love, jus like His Creator.

Does robots have Love too ?

I gave you scripture, now, it would be nice if you show us where was Fear before fall ?

much respect !