Dilemma about holy spirit, in Acts 2:14-21

[2nd2n1roc]

when I take an apple out of the fridge, the last thing on my mind is life or death---

unless of course I am in "couch appointed mode", in which case my wife wont cook for me either..so maybe I would be a little famished in that case, but still not life or death.

Adam nor Eve regarded ANY circumstances---EVE WAS DECEIVED....

Ge 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

SEE---they were not GOING TO DIE....

Adam sinned WILLFULLY----which led him to having to repent...

(though he tried blaming her)---neat trick, doesnt work by the way....

Adam died in the "day of his sin"...930 years is not 1000....

Ge 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Ge 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

I feel you, and that is what I've said, Ovedya needs to understand that, not me.

Or maybe He needs to read Bible with proper Genesis 3:22.

[Ovedya]

when I take an apple out of the fridge, the last thing on my mind is life or death---

unless of course I am in "couch appointed mode", in which case my wife wont cook for me either..so maybe I would be a little famished in that case, but still not life or death.

Adam nor Eve regarded ANY circumstances---EVE WAS DECEIVED....

Ge 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

SEE---they were not GOING TO DIE....

Adam sinned WILLFULLY----which led him to having to repent...

(though he tried blaming her)---neat trick, doesnt work by the way....

Adam died in the "day of his sin"...930 years is not 1000....

Ge 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Ge 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

I feel you, and that is what I've said, Ovedya needs to understand that, not me.

Or maybe He needs to read Bible with proper Genesis 3:22.

Ah...I believe that Mr. Malone was answering your assertion that Adam lived longer than the 930 years that the Bible says he lived.

Since you believe so firmly that Adam had eternal life prior to the fall, would you mind proving it through the Scriptures? As far as I can see Genesis 3:22 actually disproves your theory.

Much Grace,

~O

[2nd2n1roc]

trying to break down this post the best I can, the first point about "certain physical death' in which I hilited.....

Adam did die, the day he ate of the fruit. He died Spiritually. this death, or separation, is referred to Adamic sin, and its inherited in all of us from Adam.

It is the reason in John 3, Jesus says we must be born again. Born again spiritually, cause we are separated from God spiritually.

God judges our heart. Our heart/mind/spirit can sin without the body moving.

the wages of our hearts sin---is spiritual death.

Adams body didnt die for until he was 930 years old.

but it still died in the "day" he sinned.

Our bodies rely on our Spirit/heart/soul/conscious, for its determined resurrected placement.

there are 2 resurrections. One of the Just in rev 20:4-5, and 1000 years later at the end of the MK---the GWT judgment where those not written in the Lambs book of life are cast into eternal torment.

Pertaining to your post concerning Adam living 1000 years at the age of 29, Ovedya is correct in stating its your theory, but I will allow you to insert the Peter verse concerning a day is as a thousand years, but, that would make that verse then phony, because the 1000 is based on 1 literal day, and if he lived 1000 years, thats 3,650,000 days, so the literal meaning would be moot--

AND ADAM VANISHES.---

as stated before, I dont know of any scripture that says he ate of the tree of life, but there is this passage that may include it in the "normal" diet...

Ge 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Ge 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

based on those verses, the Tree of Life was most certainly able to be eaten from.

the time Adam was NOT to eat of it, was AFTER he sinned, so he wouldnt eat of it and live forever in HIS SINFUL state.

that was the reason they were cast out, out of LOVE---not discipline.

After everything is said, the whole point of our lives is the salvation. Eternal life with

the Lord, here on Earth. This whole discussion turned into kids brawl in Day care center.

And I am 42 today.

Regardless of, who is on " the right track ", all of those tracks will hit the same brick wall,

when the day of the Lord come.

With all my heart, I hope that all of us will join together in celebration of that glorious day.

much love !

Peter

[Ovedya]

We will.

[yomotalking]

Step beside Oved.

[Ovedya]

Beside whom?

Beside Him? Absolutely!

Also, in Him, by Him, with Him, and He in me!

[2nd2n1roc]

Ah...I believe that Mr. Malone was answering your assertion that Adam lived longer than the 930 years that the Bible says he lived.

Since you believe so firmly that Adam had eternal life prior to the fall, would you mind proving it through the Scriptures? As far as I can see Genesis 3:22 actually disproves your theory.

Much Grace,

~O

Adam lived 930 years, after the Fall, before Fall he did not have Life, but Eternal existence.

Life came onto scene when babies started being born.

Life is the Interval of time between birth and death. In eternity, there is no time, birth or death.

Adam was created, not born. When God told them to multiply, He was talking about Future in which they will be able to multiply. Which do not give me a reason to ask you to proove that children were born prior to Fall. If you are eternal, you don't have time, you can not age, so how can fetus age ??

Again Genesis 3:22, after breaking God's commandement, Adam took Death upon himself, by

His choice, therefore " HE MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO REACH OUT HIS HAND, AND TAKE ALSO FROM THE TREE OF LIFE, AND LIVE FOREVER "

Which part of " He must not be allowed " and " Live forever " you don't understand ?

It is exact deal now, feel the truth and you're saved, as long as you are alive when it happen'

much love !

Peter

[2nd2n1roc]

I have no problems with most of your post, except this part....

Adam was created, not born. When God told them to multiply, He was talking about Future in which they will be able to multiply. Which do not give me a reason to ask you to proove that children were born prior to Fall. If you are eternal, you don't have time, you can not age, so how can fetus age ??

Adam was created.---agreed.

"He was talking future in which they will be able...."

You are insinuating, without any scriptural evidence, that God "planned" for them to ONLY multiply after they SINNED.

Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Ge 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Ge 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

as you can see by the scriptures, God told them to multiply, before he commanded them NOT to eat of the tree of Life.

He also told them to subdue the earth(which they lost when they sinned)

He also told them to have dominion over all the animal kingdom(which they lost when they sinned)

God indeed, wanted them to fill the earth before they sinned.

but they werent interested in His WILL---but their "PLEASURE".

God is ALL KNOWING, He created everything, from the beginning till the End ( I hope you understand the End part )

Eternity Lasts One day, that last forever, not thousand years, God does not have days or

years. ( one day = thousand years is just Prophetic tool )

Access to the tree of life is eternity. Time does not exist in eternity, Everything that requires Time does not exist in Eternity, including birth.

Same goes with the free will, freedom of choice, they are possible only in Eternity.

Adam and Eve had eternity to chose between eternity and Death, we don't, we are limited with

time, we do not have choice, we only believe that our choices are Ours.

God does not want or ask, He told everything. Including fact that Humans did multiply and replenish the Earth ( just like Virus )

Sin is what Humans created after they gained knowledge of Good and Evil.

( God is the Only one All Knowing and Eternal. )

Any Person that knows difference between Good and Evil is going to Die, sooner or later.

That is God's Commandement, and those never change.

It is same Pattern as story about Satan, disobediance leads to inevitable Death.

He was kicked out of Heaven, and Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden.

He felt He was above God, and Eve and Adam felt that Knowing everything is Awesome and

above eternity.

Something Had to Happen' in order for Satan and Adam & Eve to become like God, and that

something is what we call " Sin "

Genesis 3:20 After they have " sinned ": " Eve WOULD BECOME the Mother of all the living. "

I know my English sucks, but I feel that " would become " is term for future, not past.

Meaning that before she sunk her teeth into fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil,

Eve was just " Sex simbol ", not Mother.

Genesis 3:22 " The Man has NOW BECOME like one of Us, knowing good and evil. And now

the Man is going to die. "

Got to go " My boys " ( Kansas City Chiefs ) are playing Buffalo !!

much love !

If you telling me that God did not know that, that is not going to happen', then you are telling me that God is not Perfect

[Ovedya]

Ah...I believe that Mr. Malone was answering your assertion that Adam lived longer than the 930 years that the Bible says he lived.

Since you believe so firmly that Adam had eternal life prior to the fall, would you mind proving it through the Scriptures? As far as I can see Genesis 3:22 actually disproves your theory.

Much Grace,

~O

Adam lived 930 years, after the Fall, before Fall he did not have Life, but Eternal existence.

Life came onto scene when babies started being born.

Life is the Interval of time between birth and death. In eternity, there is no time, birth or death.

Adam was created, not born. When God told them to multiply, He was talking about Future in which they will be able to multiply. Which do not give me a reason to ask you to proove that children were born prior to Fall. If you are eternal, you don't have time, you can not age, so how can fetus age ??

Again Genesis 3:22, after breaking God's commandement, Adam took Death upon himself, by

His choice, therefore " HE MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO REACH OUT HIS HAND, AND TAKE ALSO FROM THE TREE OF LIFE, AND LIVE FOREVER "

Which part of " He must not be allowed " and " Live forever " you don't understand ?

It is exact deal now, feel the truth and you're saved, as long as you are alive when it happen'

much love !

Peter

Peter,

Your theology is becoming alarmingly bizarre. There are three types of life described in the Bible: There is the physicaly life, the soul life and the spiritual life. These three types of life correspond with the three aspects of man, which are his "bios," his physical being, with it's 5 senses; his "psuche," which is man's soul, with it's three aspects: mind, emotion and will; and his "pneuma" which is man's spirit. When God created man he was complete, having all three aspects of his being intact. The only thing lacking in man was his posession of the eternal and uncreated life of God, which was present in the tree of life.

There is no supporting Scripture for what you are claiming here, and, as I wrote previously, you really should think through the logical implications to what you are saying. Essentially, if man was in posession of eternal life before the fall, then you would have to conclude that sin is more powerful than the eterna life of God.