The Household Of God Is Israel

[Who me]

22 hours ago, Mr. M said:

Every Christian on the face of the earth claims to believe in Jesus.

So how is it you can separate them from your own scriptural assessment

We do not judge the genuineness or the level  of commitment or theological correctness  of other Christians.

God will do that and reward those deserving a reward.

22 hours ago, Mr. M said:

Gentile does not become a Jew

No  we become something  far better, members of God's family.

Ultimately there are no Jews, no gentiles, no civilised, no barbarian only Christian and non Christian.

We are All judged by our relationship to Jesus and all other distinction  are valueless. 

 

[TheBlade]

I tried to see this according to the verses you posted but.. what you said is not written. Trying to post all those verses to then say the house of God is Israel. Now OT we might agree.  Is it not written "but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth." Were also talking about that temple made with out hands. 

[Mr. M]

1 hour ago, TheBlade said:

I tried to see this according to the verses you posted but.. what you said is not written. Trying to post all those verses to then say the house of God is Israel. Now OT we might agree.  Is it not written "but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth." Were also talking about that  temple made without hands 

"temple made without hands" aka *"a new creation".

* @AdHoc

Galatians 6:

14 But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 

15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.

16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

[Mr. M]

On 12/1/2023 at 7:45 AM, Mr. M said:

Who is Israel?

Psalm 148:14 And He has exalted the horn of His people,
The praise of all His saints—
Of the children of Israel,
A people near to Him.

Praise the Lord!

Isaiah 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, For as much as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men.

Hebrews 10:19-23 Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, and having a High Priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful.

For this is the Word of Truth:

John 5:37 And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me.

You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator

between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.

John 16:13-15 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.

It is by this the instructions from the epistle to the Hebrews apply to us all.

Hebrews 3:

14 For we are made partakers of Christ,

if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end;

15 While it is said, Today if ye will hear his voice,

harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

How near?

Numbers 12:6 Then He said,

“Hear now My words:
If there is a prophet among you,
I, the Lord, make Myself known to him in a vision;
I speak to him in a dream.
7 Not so with My servant Moses;
He is faithful in all My house.
8 I speak with him face to face,
Even plainly, and not in dark sayings;
And he sees the form of the Lord.
Why then were you not afraid
To speak against My servant Moses?

Genesis 32:30 So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel:

For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

LXX-sozo ego psyche=saved my soul

https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=face+to+face&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1

Deuteronomy 34:10 But since then there has not arisen in Israel a prophet like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face.

1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face.

Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

When is 'then'? When love is perfected.

1 John 4:12 No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another,

God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us.

Psalm 27:8 When You said, Seek My face,
My heart said to You, Your face, Lord, I will seek.

Revelation 22:4 They shall see His face and His name on their foreheads

 

Edited December 3, 2023 by Mr. M

[Mr. M]

On 12/1/2023 at 7:45 AM, Mr. M said:

Who is Israel?

Psalm 148:14 And He has exalted the horn of His people,
The praise of all His saints—
Of the children of Israel,
A people near to Him.

Exodus 19:22 And let the priests also, which come near to the Lord, sanctify themselves, lest the Lord break forth upon them.

Deuteronomy 5:4 The Lord talked with you face to face on the mountain from the midst of the fire.

Hebrews 10:

35 Therefore do not cast away your confidence, which has great reward. 

36 For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, 

you may receive the promise:

37 For yet a little while,
And He who is coming will come and will not [m]tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith;
But if anyone draws back,
My soul has no pleasure in him.

39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition,

but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.

The Law AND the Testimony

Exodus 20:

18 Now all the people witnessed the thundering, the lightning flashes, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking; and when the people saw it, they trembled and stood afar off. 

19 Then they said to Moses, You speak with us, and we will hear; but let not God speak with us, lest we die.

20 And Moses said to the people, Do not fear; for God has come to test you, and that His fear may be before you, so that you may not sin.

21 So the people stood afar off, but Moses drew near the thick darkness where God was.

Deuteronomy 5:24 And you said: Surely the Lord our God has shown us His glory and His greatness, and we have heard His voice from the midst of the fire. We have seen this day that God speaks with man; and he lives.

[Mr. M]

On 12/1/2023 at 7:45 AM, Mr. M said:

Who is Israel?

Psalm 148:14 And He has exalted the horn of His people,
The praise of all His saints—
Of the children of Israel,
A people near to Him.

Praise the Lord!

Psalm 73:1 Truly God is good to Israel,
To such as are pure in heart.

Psalm 24:

3 Who may ascend into the hill of the Lord?
Or who may stand in His holy place?
4 He who has clean hands and a pure heart,
Who has not lifted up his soul to an idol,
Nor sworn deceitfully.
5 He shall receive blessing from the Lord,
And righteousness from the God of his salvation.
6 This is the generation of Jacob, those who seek Him,
Who seek Your face. Selah

Matthew 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
For they shall see God.

Genesis 32:28 And He said, Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel;

for you have struggled with God and with men, and have prevailed.

Psalm 78:

5 For He established a testimony in Jacob,
And appointed a Torah in Israel,
Which He commanded our fathers,
That they should make them known to their children;
6 That the generation to come might know them,
The children who would be born,
That they may arise and declare them to their children,
7 That they may set their hope in God,
And not forget the works of God,
But keep His commandments;

1 Timothy 1:

5 Now the end of the commandment is love from a pure heart, 

from a good conscience, and from sincere faith, 

6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, 

7 desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither

what they say nor the things which they affirm.

8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, 

9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane...

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not!

On the contrary, we establish the law.

2 Timothy 2:22 Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness,

faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

Edited December 3, 2023 by Mr. M

[Anne2]

On 11/29/2023 at 12:19 PM, Mr. M said:

Ephesians 2:

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision

by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 

12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel

and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 

13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 

15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances,

so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 

16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross,

thereby putting to death the enmity. 

17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 

18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners,

but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 

20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets,

Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 

21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 

22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

What about God's house being the temple, and his household  the priests?

Anointed ones

  Israelites were strangers  (zuwr) there.

Ex 29:33  And they shall eat those things wherewith the atonement was made, to consecrate and to sanctify them: but a stranger <02114> shall not eat thereof, because they are holy.
Ex 30:33  Whosoever compoundeth any like it, or whosoever putteth any of it upon a stranger <02114>, shall even be cut off from his people.

Le 22:10  There shall no stranger <02114> eat of the holy thing: a sojourner of the priest, or an hired servant, shall not eat of the holy thing.
Le 22:12  If the priest’s daughter also be married unto a stranger <02114>, she may not eat of an offering of the holy things.
Le 22:13  But if the priest’s daughter be a widow, or divorced, and have no child, and is returned unto her father’s house, as in her youth, she shall eat of her father’s meat: but there shall no stranger <02114> eat thereof.
Nu 1:51  And when the tabernacle setteth forward, the Levites shall take it down: and when the tabernacle is to be pitched, the Levites shall set it up: and the stranger <02114> that cometh nigh shall be put to death.
Nu 3:10  And thou shalt appoint Aaron and his sons, and they shall wait on their priest’s office: and the stranger <02114> that cometh nigh shall be put to death.
Nu 3:38  But those that encamp before the tabernacle toward the east, even before the tabernacle of the congregation eastward, shall be Moses, and Aaron and his sons, keeping the charge of the sanctuary for the charge of the children of Israel; and the stranger <02114> that cometh nigh shall be put to death.
Nu 16:40  To be a memorial unto the children of Israel, that no stranger <02114>, which is not of the seed of Aaron, come near to offer incense before the LORD; that he be not as Korah, and as his company: as the LORD said to him by the hand of Moses.
1Pe 2:9  But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

[Mr. M]

35 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

What about God's house being the temple, and his household  the priests?

Not His original intention! Peter echoes Exodus 19

36 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

1Pe 2:9  But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Exodus 19:

5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. 

6 And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.

2 Samuel 7:

5 Go and tell My servant David, ‘Thus says the Lord: Would you build a house for Me to dwell in? 

6 For I have not dwelt in a house since the time that I brought the children of Israel up from Egypt,

even to this day, but have moved about in a tent and in a tabernacle. 

7 Wherever I have moved about with all the children of Israel,

have I ever spoken a word to anyone from the tribes of Israel,

whom I commanded to shepherd My people Israel, saying,

Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?

Galatians 3:19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.

"obey My voice and keep My covenant"

Jeremiah 7:

22 For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices. 

23 But this is what I commanded them, saying, Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be My people. And walk in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well with you.

[Anne2]

27 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Not His original intention! Peter echoes Exodus 19

Hi Mr M. And thanks for you response.

Yes, I understand that, God's intent was for the twelve tribes (4:22), but they sinned. It was for a shadow, a pattern of the heavenly things.

27 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Exodus 19:

5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. 

6 And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.

The Apostles and those Jews which obeyed, as well many priests Act 6:7. Why therefore this is not the Israel of God, the church of the firstborn (Ex 4:22)? To which the nations are also joined?

 

Edited December 3, 2023 by Anne2

[Mr. M]

12 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Hi Mr M. And thanks for you response.

Yes, I understand that, God's intent was for the twelve tribes, but they sinned. It was for a shadow, a pattern of the heavenly things.

The Apostles and those Jews which obeyed, as well many priests Act 6:7. Why therefore this is not the Israel of God, the church of the firstborn? To which the nations are also joined?

 

Why not? They check all the boxes covered in the study;

even beyond the original OP to follow-up posts.