Shilohsfoal Posted January 6 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 6 (edited) According to several of our members,the saints in Israel are supposed to flee to the mountains .But there seems to be a problem.None of them flee.Insted of fleeing,the saints in Israel give instruction. They stand firm ,and warn the lost sheep of the house of Israel as Christ commands in the gospel. Do you see anyone fleeing in these verses? Daniel 11:33-35 Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed. During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere. And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come. If these saints fled,as many on this board claim,then they would be disobeying the command to preach to the lost sheep of Israel. Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. The watchmen must warn the people.They are not commanded to flee.They are commanded to stay and preach. Edited January 6 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted January 6 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 6 (edited) Daniel 11:33-35 is the church age, during which many saints were persecuted and killed, covering a period of the last 2000 years. Verse 35 transitions to the time of end. Verse 36 picks up at the time of the beast-king. Edited January 6 by douggg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted January 6 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 6 Matt 24:15-17 - So when you see standing in the holy place, the A/D; spoken of through the prophet Daniel, let the reader understand, then let those who are in Judea FLEE to the mountains, Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. Scripture does not say these individuals are preachers. 1 Tim 6:20,21 - Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdHoc Posted January 6 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,034 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 1,452 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted January 6 7 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: According to several of our members,the saints in Israel are supposed to flee to the mountains Not "SUPPOSED TO FLEE"! The command of none other than our Lord Jesus is "FLEE WITHOUT TAKING 30 SECONDS TO GET YOUR COAT" (SEE Matthew 24:16-18) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted January 7 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 7 16 minutes ago, AdHoc said: Not "SUPPOSED TO FLEE"! The command of none other than our Lord Jesus is "FLEE WITHOUT TAKING 30 SECONDS TO GET YOUR COAT" (SEE Matthew 24:16-18) Why then are the saints not fleeing? Daniel 11:33-35 Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed. During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere. And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AFlameOfFire Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 James was killed by the sword and Peter imprisoned and received a little help from an angel at the time persecution broke out against the church at that time. Acts 8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted January 7 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 7 34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. 36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? 37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted January 7 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, douggg said: Daniel 11:33-35 is the church age, during which many saints were persecuted and killed, covering a period of the last 2000 years. Verse 35 transitions to the time of end. Verse 36 picks up at the time of the beast-king. Keep it in context.Context is key. Verse 36 is talking about the same king as Daniel 11:32. 32 Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall [a]corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits. Daniels continues speaking of this king in Daniel 11:36 36 “Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done. This is the same vile king from Daniel 11:21.who came to power after he raiser of taxes. 21 And in his place shall arise a vile person, to whom they will not give the honor of royalty; but he shall come in peaceably, and seize the kingdom by intrigue. Edited January 7 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdHoc Posted January 7 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,034 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 1,452 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted January 7 27 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: Why then are the saints not fleeing? First, it is questionable to call them "saints". Those in Judea are party to setting the Beast and his idol in the Holy Place. But let us be generous and let them be the Remnant. Even better, let them be DISCIPLES - for Matthew 24 concerns them. But the diligent who give heed to the Words of Jesus, should NOT BE IN JUDEA. The Abomination of Desolation signals the beginning of the Great Tribulation (Matt.24:15-21) and to the Overcoming Church member the promise of Revelation 3:10 is valid. The Overcoming Christian is promised to not be there FOR THE TIME (the hour) when it takes place. Those in Judea are the ones LEFT. They heed neither Christ nor His Word! Those in Judea are Jews who have agreed to the Gentiles trampling the Temple Court (Rev.11). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted January 7 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 7 (edited) 11 minutes ago, AdHoc said: First, it is questionable to call them "saints". Those in Judea are party to setting the Beast and his idol in the Holy Place. But let us be generous and let them be the Remnant. Even better, let them be DISCIPLES - for Matthew 24 concerns them. But the diligent who give heed to the Words of Jesus, should NOT BE IN JUDEA. The Abomination of Desolation signals the beginning of the Great Tribulation (Matt.24:15-21) and to the Overcoming Church member the promise of Revelation 3:10 is valid. The Overcoming Christian is promised to not be there FOR THE TIME (the hour) when it takes place. Those in Judea are the ones LEFT. They heed neither Christ nor His Word! Those in Judea are Jews who have agreed to the Gentiles trampling the Temple Court (Rev.11). If the abomination of desolation is the beginning of the great tribulation , then the disciples in judea don't need to flee.The dead are raised and them which are alive at that time are delivered. Here is the beginning of the great tribulation in this verse. Daniel 12:1-2 And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame. Why do you believe God would need someone to flee for him to deliver his people and raise the dead? Edited January 7 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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