Born Again And Born Again Scripture.

[LisaLola]

55 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Sorry for having offended you.  Sometimes the only way to understand where another poster is coming from is to ask specific questions.  How else would one know if they don't ask?

The problem is if I may say, you have been forcing your belief onto me, I haven’t done that to you.i have never doubted my faith from day one, it just keeps getting stronger and stronger, because faith is a gift that only God can give.

I don’t understand the word of God like you believe you do ...as we are on a very different level of understanding...you also said we should stop our discussion as we will “ never” agree over what God’s word is saying.

 

Edited January 12, 2024 by LisaLola

[LisaLola]

59 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Well, that is a problem.  How can you know what God wants you to know if some of it "makes no sense" to you?

Well, there you go again.

The problem is, I don’t agree with what you say the word of God is saying..we are at different levels of understanding.and no one can work to become Born Again of the Spirit ,it’s an act of God.

Edited January 12, 2024 by LisaLola

[LisaLola]

52 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Certainly you are free to believe what you want to, but your opinion can't be found in Scripture.

I have posted all relevant scripture on how I became Born Again..

That is just your opinion that what I have posted isn’t found in scripture, I disagree and say ,yes I have posted Gods word on how I became Born Again of the Spirit..only your opinion is, it’s not saying what I believe Gods word to be saying..which I disagree with your opinion.

Are we done yet?

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

Sorry for having offended you.  Sometimes the only way to understand where another poster is coming from is to ask specific questions.  How else would one know if they don't ask?

You say sorry and I do not like it because I do not know what your sorry is all about. It must have something to do about you, something that you said or do. My earlier post it was to bring something to your attention not to continue to do something you are doing.  

In the same frame as the people have learn not to post scripture including the words "sheep in wolf's clothing" "or false prophets" when the subject is not about false prophets or sheep in wolf's clothing or "Jesus said "I never knew you " when that event is not discussed. 

I like to discuss your last statement of how to know if someone is saved or Born again or if he is in Jesus Christ and if Jesus consider him to be in him. 

It comunicate the need that you need to work out some doubts. It sounds like the Pharisees keep asking Jesus "are you the Christ?  are you the Messiah? Are you the one God promised to send? Look what Jesus told them and how many times Jesus on he own said to them that he is the one and they were still keep asking him and that makes us ask why? Thank you for responding and God bless and I see you as a brother in Jesus Christ without any doubt from the context of your posting in general and for not saying anything against Jesus Christ. And you are not this or that you are like any one of us who keeps learning and growing in the faith of  Jesus Christ. Amen. 

 

 

 

 

[LisaLola]

Born Again of imperishable seed, means exactly that..we have been Born Again by Gods Living seed, which is his Living word..that is what lives inside of us the imperishable seed of God..which can never die, can never be taken away, it starts off the size of a mustard seed and because it’s the Living word of God that was planted into our hearts...it will grow and our faith will just get stronger and stronger...

[Your closest friendnt]

11 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Sorry for having offended you.  Sometimes the only way to understand where another poster is coming from is to ask specific questions.  How else would one know if they don't ask?

By discerning. By using one's skills of discerning. People can learn how to discern and judge correctly the Judges have learn to do. And it is a skill that can be taught but also it is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Paul talks about it and he had that gift which help him in his ministry and discern many things as there is not need for Circumcision in Jesus Christ. That we are recognized by Jesus Christ by our faith in our hearts to begin with and foremost before anyone say or do anything. I read that you understand about that when you mention that Jesus Christ pour the Holy Spirit upon the family and friends of Cornelius to show to Peter and others that he can see or know their faith in him in their heart for the forgiveness of their sins before they confessed their faith in Jesus Christ or say anything at all. 

There is also another gift of the Holy Spirit the "gift of Knowledge" the gift operating in Paul and it help him to desern the thoughts and intentions of others and know the needs of others so he could minister to them and Paul said they heard and praise God and they believed. Jesus had that gift because as he show Nicodemus approaching it was made known to him a lot things about Nicodemus and he began minister to him according to his needs to let him know about things to come and that it was from God that he had to die first before God glorify him. Even the disciples did not understand that at that time and Jesus said that to Nicodemus for them to hear it. One way is to study law like Paul did and the other way is to ask Jesus help.  Or do both. 

It takes time. And some things by the revelation of the Holy Spirit it takes no time at all, as they are revealed. 

Jesus said about Nathaniel before anyone told him anything about him and before he met him "a truth Israelite" and then he said to him "I showed you standing under the fig tree waiting to meet your brother ". No that Jesus could see hundred miles away but that he showed him in a vision that's the work of the Holy Spirit.  The same way Paul showed in a vision a Macedonian man calling upon him, asking him to come to Macedonia to where he was, and the Warden was saved.

Accept the testimony of others as truth and please do not see others as unbelievers or doubt their salvation till they provide proof to you that they are saved. Work out your doubts. Do not involve doctrinal beliefs...unless they are discussed accept all believers in Jesus Christ as Christians just like the Muslims do that everyone who calls upon the name of Jesus is a Christian to them and apply their law to them. 

You asked me or I took it that you were asking me and if you were not let ne know and I will delete the post immediately. God bless. 

Edited January 13, 2024 by Your closest friendnt

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

You say sorry and I do not like it because I do not know what your sorry is all about.

Again, I am sorry.  It seemed you were offended by an earlier post of mine, so I was apologizing for offending you.

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I like to discuss your last statement of how to know if someone is saved or Born again or if he is in Jesus Christ and if Jesus consider him to be in him. 

I like to discuss that too.

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

It comunicate the need that you need to work out some doubts.

The only doubts I might have would be posters who aren't being clear enough with me to know whether they are saved or not.  

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

It sounds like the Pharisees keep asking Jesus "are you the Christ?  are you the Messiah?

It wasn't the Pharisees, I believe.  I think it was the common men who were asking that.

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Are you the one God promised to send? Look what Jesus told them and how many times Jesus on he own said to them that he is the one and they were still keep asking him and that makes us ask why? Thank you for responding and God bless and I see you as a brother in Jesus Christ without any doubt from the context of your posting in general and for not saying anything against Jesus Christ. And you are not this or that you are like any one of us who keeps learning and growing in the faith of  Jesus Christ. Amen. 

Amen!

[FreeGrace]

45 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

By deserning. By using one's skills of deserning.

My skill of discerning is to ask.   

45 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

There is also another gift of the Holy Spirit the "gift of Knowledge" the gift operating in Paul and it help him to desern the thoughts and intentions of others and know the needs of others so he could minister to them and Paul said they heard and praise God and they believed.

It's my understanding that the gift of knowledge has to do with biblical docrtrines, not about the thoughts of others.

45 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Jesus had that gift because as he show Nicodemus approaching it was made known to him a lot things about Nicodemus and he began minister to him according to his needs to let him know about things to come and that it was from God that he had to die first before God glorify him.

Actually, since Jesus is God, He is omniscient, or all knowing.  He doesn't have the gifts of the Spirit.  He is equal to the Spirit.

45 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Accept the testimony of others as truth and please do not see others as unbelievers or doubt their salvation till they provide proof to you that they are saved.

It is not a problem to ask someone how to be saved.  If they know how to be, their answer will solve the question.

45 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Work out your doubts.

Why do you think I have doubts?  Again, if a poster isn't being clear, I will ask questions in order to clarify.  

45 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Do not involve doctrinal beliefs

Everything regarding Christianity involves doctrinal beliefs.

45 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

You asked me or I took it that you were asking me and if you were not let ne know and I will delete the post immediately. God bless. 

I'm not sure which post you are referring to.  Sorry.

[Your closest friendnt]

10 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Again, I am sorry.  It seemed you were offended by an earlier post of mine, so I was apologizing for offending you.

I like to discuss that too.

The only doubts I might have would be posters who aren't being clear enough with me to know whether they are saved or not.  

It wasn't the Pharisees, I believe.  I think it was the common men who were asking that.

Amen!

If that what you need then I am obliged to respond to your request. Yes I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God born by a miracle from the Virgin Mary a Jewish maiden as it was foretold in Esaiah the prophetic. I believe that he died on the Cross according to the will of God and God raised him from the dead the third day. 

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

If that what you need then I am obliged to respond to your request. Yes I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God born by a miracle from the Virgin Mary a Jewish maiden as it was foretold in Esaiah the prophetic. I believe that he died on the Cross according to the will of God and God raised him from the dead the third day. 

Amen!!