The Kings of Revelation 17

[Diaste]

On 2/9/2024 at 6:54 PM, Montana Marv said:

Your list is not depicted in Nebby's Statue.  Rome is the last Kingdom of the statue.  None other exist. Your 10 nations of Sunni's did not come out of Rome.  One must look to who is aligning itself with Rome or who is Rome aligning itself with.  Those will be the 10 nations of iron mixed with clay.

In Christ

Montana Marv

It's not Rome. Never was. The Diadochi succeeded Greece. That's where we should look.  

[Diaste]

On 2/10/2024 at 3:48 PM, Montana Marv said:

Babylon was succeeded by the Medes and Persians.  Followed by Greece, then Followed by the Romans .  Only 4 kingdoms revealed by the Statue. 

Sunni's not mentioned, Islam not mentioned, yet you mention them, I see no Scriptural evidence.

In Christ

Montana Marv

The Diadochi followed Greece. The Roman empire in the 2nd century BC was barely existing, the Diadochi were the true power at that time. 

[Diaste]

On 2/19/2024 at 2:18 PM, Spock said:

what kingdom followed Greece?

Just as scripture says, 'four notable ones'. That is: Ptolemy, Cassander, Lysimachus and Seleucid. Those then would be our foundational evidence to begin the search for the identity of the beast, his kingdom and the other power brokers of the end of the age. 

[douggg]

On 3/15/2024 at 1:22 AM, Revelation Man said:

That is not correct my friend, as I have stated unto you many times, Israel never accepts any man as their "Messiah or King" they simply will join the E.U. The idea that they will accept another seems to spring forth from John 5:43, but Jesus was speaking specifically about and unto the Pharisees, who rejected him as the Messiah but accepted other men as the Messiah in the 67-70 AD wars. 

So, this just shows why it is very important not to get off-tracked my friend. 

John in 1John2:18 as he spoke to those Christians referred to the Antichrist that they were aware who was coming.    So how did they become aware ?     Most likely it was John preaching to them of the fact.    Or that it was readily obvious.

The Jews had rejected Jesus as their King of Israel, therefore, they are looking for another to be their King of Israel messiah.    Which we see that broad-based anticipation among Jews today.

 

[Revelation Man]

On 3/16/2024 at 12:28 PM, douggg said:

John in 1John2:18 as he spoke to those Christians referred to the Antichrist that they were aware who was coming.    So how did they become aware ?     Most likely it was John preaching to them of the fact.    Or that it was readily obvious.

The Jews had rejected Jesus as their King of Israel, therefore, they are looking for another to be their King of Israel messiah.    Which we see that broad-based anticipation among Jews today.

 

Now go do research on what the Jews see their Messiah as, a Political savior to save them, and thus they were in error, he's a Sacrificial Savior. But he has to be Jewish, not a Gentile King, so they can not mix him up with a man from the E.U. it is just not possible. 

Israel simple joins the E.U. that is the Agreement, you and ithers sees the Hebrew Word Covenant and it immediately places a BLIND SPOT onto you, because you think that word which simply means AGREEMENT has to be a Holy Covenant as some do, but its just a Simple Agreement between two party's, and they are Israel and the E.U. 

[douggg]

On 3/18/2024 at 1:50 PM, Revelation Man said:

Now go do research on what the Jews see their Messiah as, a Political savior to save them, and thus they were in error, he's a Sacrificial Savior. But he has to be Jewish, not a Gentile King, so they can not mix him up with a man from the E.U. it is just not possible. 

A Jew can be from the EU.

 

On 3/18/2024 at 1:50 PM, Revelation Man said:

Israel simple joins the E.U. that is the Agreement, you and ithers sees the Hebrew Word Covenant and it immediately places a BLIND SPOT onto you, because you think that word which simply means AGREEMENT has to be a Holy Covenant as some do, but its just a Simple Agreement between two party's, and they are Israel and the E.U. 

The Jew expect their messiah to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant in the manner given by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 on the 7 year cycle in the text.     The manner is the reading of the law to the nation of Israel, from the place of God's choosing - which the Jews presently consider to be the temple mount.

 

9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.

10 And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles,

11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.

12 Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law:

13 And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the LORD your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

 

 

[Revelation Man]

10 hours ago, douggg said:

A Jew can be from the EU.

 

That's true, but he can not have Assyrian Blood if he's a Jew(Isaiah 10) and he has to be born in Greece as per Dan. 8:9. Why do you think God gave us every king in the Greece Empire all the way to Antiochus Epiphanes, then gave us the end time A.C. in verses 36-45? Hes a Greek born man, with Old Assyrian (Turkish/Iraqi) Blood. He will come to power in the E.U. 

Now, lets follow the other six Beasts and the "Archetype Beast and False Prophet". All six were Gentile Kings, the archetype was Antiochus who killed 60,000 to 90,000 Jews, sacrificed a pig unto Zeus in the temple of God, and was thus killed "Without hands" (by disease) and he had an archetype False Prophet sidekick also, a man named Jason(real name Yeshua), who was a Jewish High Priest. He bribed Antiochus to be named the high priest, having his real life brother, Onias III killed, Jason then welcomed Antiochus into the temple of God to make the sacrifice unto Zeus, he was one of the many, many Jews who were pro Hellenization, meaning they wanted Israel to change their ways and cultures (To change TIMES & LAWS) of "old" to fit the new Greek cultures ways, which put forth homosexuality as a legit lifestyle, the word Gymnasium is a Greek word, they built gymnasiums where only men could frolic around naked and play games & sports in the buff, they were nothing but what we would call modern homosexual bath houses basically. Thy build a gymnasium in Israel. So, Jason was pro Greece and anti the old Israeli (God ways) ways. Like churches today, lets invite all religions to join in, lets not condemn any religion like Islam etc. etc. that was his mindset, and the mindset of about half of the Israel peoples so its not like Antiochus moved in to conquer them per se. He placed a High Priest in power who loved the Greek Hellenistic Culture, he had a Pious High Priest named Onias III killed. 

Jason then put out and edict that Israel would become a Hellenized Culture, and worship the Greek gods, this led to the Maccabean Revolt. This is a PAINTED PICTURE of what the end tine Anti-Christ and False Prophet will look like and will be, was Antiochus a Jew or Greek? The Jew in the picture is the False Prophet, who has to be a Jew, all Prophets were Jewish/Israelis basically.  The End Time Anti-Christ is merely a name we Christians put forth, he is called the Little Horn who arises AMIDST the 10 (E.U.) and all Beasts have been Gentile kings/rulers. The end time Beast will be no different. He is called the Assyrian, he is called by many names, the Man of Sin being one also, but all the TAGS have to fit my friend. He can not be an Assyrian born in Greece who comes to power amidst the 10 (Born in the E.U. Power base/Greece). So, if he is born in Greece and the E.U. (which Greece is a part of, of course) and called an Assyrian he HAS TO HAVE............Assyrian Blood............Get it? He will not nor can he have Jewish blood. Hes born in Greece. how can he then be an Assyrian? Blood line !! 

 

10 hours ago, douggg said:

The Jew expect their messiah to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant in the manner given by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 on the 7 year cycle in the text.     The manner is the reading of the law to the nation of Israel, from the place of God's choosing - which the Jews presently consider to be the temple mount.

 

This is IRRELEVANT because 1.) he is not a Jew 2.) What the Jews of 2000 years ago or today think is only relevant as unto HOW THEY THINK.......not what they think. They think the Messiah is going to be a political king, not the Son of God, so my point was they could not see Jesus for who he was because they looked for the WRONG TYPE of Jew. That ACTION is thus a FACT. What you put forth is CONJECTURE however, see the difference? Nowhere in the bible does it say they expect their Messiah to CONFIRM the covenant, the Dan. 9:27 verse is about the coming Little Horn, not the Messiah. He's of the Romans (E.U.) via the peoples of the ones who destroyed Jerusalem in  70 AD, at the end will birth this king or ruler. It has ZERO to do with Israel accepting a fake christ, that just what you have put together brother, its not in the word of God anywhere.

Putting forth something else that is 7 years and trying to link it is very amusing, I do not get why people think Prophecy is about assoc. of numbers or words, its about assoc. of FACTOIDS. 

Edited March 21 by Revelation Man

[douggg]

On 3/21/2024 at 11:12 AM, Revelation Man said:

That's true, but he can not have Assyrian Blood if he's a Jew(Isaiah 10)

I think the Assyrian person is not the Antichrist person, but the leader of the muslim nations involved in the Gog/Magog event.

On 3/21/2024 at 11:12 AM, Revelation Man said:

This is IRRELEVANT because 1.) he is not a Jew 2.) What the Jews of 2000 years ago or today think is only relevant as unto HOW THEY THINK.......not what they think. They think the Messiah is going to be a political king, not the Son of God, so my point was they could not see Jesus for who he was because they looked for the WRONG TYPE of Jew. That ACTION is thus a FACT. What you put forth is CONJECTURE however, see the difference?

The Jews have always believed and still do that messiah is going to be anointed as King of Israel.     Part of the role of being the King of Israel is to have the law of Moses read to the nation of Israel, on the feast of tabernacles, from the place of God's choosing, on a 7 year cycle.

That the Jews rejected Jesus, does not change what is written in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

 

[Revelation Man]

On 3/23/2024 at 9:54 AM, douggg said:

I think the Assyrian person is not the Antichrist person, but the leader of the muslim nations involved in the Gog/Magog event.

On 3/21/2024 at 11:12 AM, Revelation Man said:

No, he is the Anti-Christ/Little Horn/Beast [Man]. He is a Greek born, E.U. Pres. and he is also an Assyrian.

5 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation. 6 I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.

So, Gog loses as the Magog leader he never treads down the people of Israel, God destroys 5/6 of his Armies, HE LOSES. These are easy understanding my brother, it just upsets your apple cart. 

On 3/23/2024 at 9:54 AM, douggg said:

The Jews have always believed and still do that messiah is going to be anointed as King of Israel.    

Jesus will be, and he's a Jew you biggest problem via prophecy is you jump to preconceived conclusions without thinking things through, and once you get an idea that idea can not be overcome by anything future factoids it seems. 

The A.C. is NOT a Jew, he comes from the Sea(Gentile Nations who conquer the Mediterranean Sea Region), the False Prophet arises from THE LAND (Israel). He is mandated to be Greek born (Dan. 8:9) he is mandated to be an E.U. king (Dan. 7:7-8) or E.U. Pres. and he has to be an Assyrian by bloodline(Isaiah 10 plus others). God gives us a man with links to at least three former Beasts on purpose

So, you jump to a conclusion based off of bad info, like the Assyrian is a part of Gog which makes zero sense because Gog never conquers Israel, God stops him, but God used the Anti-Christ/Little Horn/Beast/Assyrian as His instrument of wrath to come against the 2/3 Jews who do not repent, He protects the 1/3 that do repent in the Petra/Bozrah area. So, Gog does not, nor can ever fit the Assyrian profile, only the A.C./Beast fits the Assyrian profile.

Look at how far you had to try and go to deny I am correct brother? Why? To protect an idea you have or heard somewhere, that you cling unto, instead of just allowing truths to come in. I do not get it, but I do, God called it false pride, an stated that all men have this, so we have to overcome this in Jesus' blood.

On 3/23/2024 at 9:54 AM, douggg said:

Part of the role of being the King of Israel is to have the law of Moses read to the nation of Israel, on the feast of tabernacles, from the place of God's choosing, on a 7 year cycle.

That the Jews rejected Jesus, does not change what is written in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

The A.C. is a Greek, reread Dan. 11, WHY............do you think God gives us every Greek king.........then jumps from Antiochus unto the end time A.C. ?