Why there are no two Witnesses of Moses with Elijah and 144k Sealed Hebrew in modern Israel

[R. Hartono]

Arent they supposed to come in the end Times Israel like the old time desert ?

Edited March 31 by R. Hartono

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Arent they supposed to come in the end Times Israel like the old time desert ?

You could make use of a ChatBot to get feedback on that.

[AdHoc]

On 2/6/2024 at 1:04 AM, R. Hartono said:

Arent they supposed to come in the end Times Israel like the old time desert ?

They Witness only the last 42 months (1260 days). You should have been raptured by then. If not, you will belong to the "seed of the woman who has the testimony of Jesus Christ", but which is defeated, fleeing and in a wilderness (Rev.12:17, 13:7).

Elijah is most probably one of them, but Moses is not. He is part of the "children of the resurrection" and cannot die again (Lk.20:35-36, Heb.9:27). The other is most probably Enoch.

[Shilohsfoal]

On 2/5/2024 at 7:04 PM, R. Hartono said:

Arent they supposed to come in the end Times Israel like the old time desert ?

The two witnesses have not arrived yet.

They arrive in Israel with the man of sins armed forces 42 months before the end.

[R. Hartono]

On 2/9/2024 at 4:25 AM, AdHoc said:

Elijah is most probably one of them, but Moses is not. He is part of the "children of the resurrection" and cannot die again (Lk.20:35-36, Heb.9:27). The other is most probably Enoch.

Enoch was not a Hebrew.

[Michael37]

4 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

Enoch was not a Hebrew.

Heb 11:5  By faith Enoch was taken up so that he did not see death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.” For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.
 

[Michael37]

On 2/6/2024 at 1:04 PM, R. Hartono said:

Arent they supposed to come in the end Times Israel like the old time desert ?

FYI @R. Hartono

Rev 11:7  When the two witnesses have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will wage war with them, and will overpower and kill them.

UII (Useful Internet Info)

In the Bible, the term “Abyss” originates from the Greek word “abyssos”, which signifies “exceedingly deep” or “unfathomable, boundless”. Its usage in the Christian Greek Scriptures refers to a place or condition of confinement. While it encompasses the grave, it is not limited to it ¹².

Here are some key aspects of the Abyss as mentioned in the Bible:

1. Old Testament Usage:

   • In the Old Testament, “abyssos” consistently describes the watery depths of the earth, including oceans and springs, distinct from the land. It does not carry the idea of the realm of the dead or the afterlife ¹.
   • Genesis 1:2 refers to the total inchoate earth as “the deep”, over which the Spirit of God hovered.
   • During the intertestamental period, the meaning of “abyssos” expanded to include the concept of death and the realm of demonic spirits ¹.

2. New Testament Usage:

   • In the New Testament, “abyssos” takes on two primary meanings:
     • “The realm of the dead”: Romans 10:7 contrasts “ascent into heaven” with “descent into the abyss”. However, because Christ was there, the abyss should not be seen as an evil or demonic realm.
     • “Dwelling place of demons”: Luke 8:31 and Revelation describe the abyss as the abode of demons and the beast. It serves as a place of confinement unto judgment under God’s control ¹.
     • In John’s vision, the fifth trumpet opens the shaft leading to the abyss, releasing a demonic hoard of locusts. Their ruler is “the angel of the abyss”, whose name is Destruction (Heb. Abaddon; Gk. Appolyon) ¹.
     • Satan is also chained in the abyss for a thousand years until he is thrown into the lake of fire ¹.

In summary, the Abyss represents both a mysterious depth and a place of spiritual significance in biblical contexts.

[Michael37]

Following on from notes about the beast from the abyss, by association the Great Flood that destroyed the wicked harmonises with the metaphorical description of them in Isaiah 57:20 which is picked up in Revelation 17:

# Genesis 6:

5Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great upon the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was altogether evil all the time. 6And the LORD regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7So the LORD said, “I will blot out man, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—every man and beast and crawling creature and bird of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them.”

17And behold, I will bring floodwaters upon the earth to destroy every creature under the heavens that has the breath of life. Everything on the earth will perish.

# Isaiah 57:

20But the wicked are like the storm-tossed sea, for it cannot be still, and its waves churn up mire and muck.

21“There is no peace,” says my God, “for the wicked.”

# Revelation 17:

15Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the harlot was seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.

[AdHoc]

11 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Enoch was not a Hebrew.

I don't know why you said that. Could you give me a bit more background. Thanks.

[FJK]

14 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Enoch was not a Hebrew.

That's true, but is being Hebrew a requirement for being one of the Two Witnesses?