Jedi4Yahweh Posted February 17 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 17 (edited) The bible may seem kind of vague on this subject but I think the scriptures clearly tell us why Cain's offering was not accepted by God. The bible says Cain brought some of the fruit he had grown but it says of Abel that he brought the 'firstlings' of this flock to God. The term firstling means Abel had set aside the first and best portion of his flock to God, but it does not say the same for Cain but that he only brought some fruit. Notice what the scriptures says about how we are to honor God with the first fruits of our increase/wealth: Honor the LORD with your possessions, And with the firstfruits of all your increase; [Pro 3:9 NKJV] The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God...[Exo 23:19 KJV] That thou shalt take of the first of all the fruit of the earth, which thou shalt bring of thy land that the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt put [it] in a basket, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name there. [Deu 26:2 KJV] The principle of giving God the first and best portion of our labor is seen though out the scriptures. Giving God left overs is not an acceptable practice in our service to God. Edited February 17 by Jedi4Yahweh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted February 17 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 243 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,970 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,883 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Online Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Jedi4Yahweh said: The bible may seem kind of vague on this subject but I think the scriptures clearly tell us why Cain's offering was not accepted by God. The bible says Cain brought some of the fruit of that he had grown but it says of Abel that he brought the 'firstlings' of this flock to God. The term firstling means Abel had set aside the first and best portion of his flock to God, but it does not say the same for Cain but that he only brought some fruit. Notice what the scriptures says about how we are to honor God with the first fruits of our increase/wealth: Honor the LORD with your possessions, And with the firstfruits of all your increase; [Pro 3:9 NKJV] The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God...[Exo 23:19 KJV] That thou shalt take of the first of all the fruit of the earth, which thou shalt bring of thy land that the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt put [it] in a basket, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name there. [Deu 26:2 KJV] The principle of giving God the first and best portion of our labor is seen though out the scriptures. Giving God left overs is not an acceptable practice in our service to God. Abel then, is the first martyr, and a type of Christ the Shepherd, slain by religious rebels. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie744 Posted February 17 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 2,670 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 859 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/29/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Jedi4Yahweh said: The bible may seem kind of vague on this subject but I think the scriptures clearly tell us why Cain's offering was not accepted by God. The bible says Cain brought some of the fruit he had grown but it says of Abel that he brought the 'firstlings' of this flock to God. The term firstling means Abel had set aside the first and best portion of his flock to God, but it does not say the same for Cain but that he only brought some fruit. Notice what the scriptures says about how we are to honor God with the first fruits of our increase/wealth: Honor the LORD with your possessions, And with the firstfruits of all your increase; [Pro 3:9 NKJV] The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God...[Exo 23:19 KJV] That thou shalt take of the first of all the fruit of the earth, which thou shalt bring of thy land that the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt put [it] in a basket, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name there. [Deu 26:2 KJV] The principle of giving God the first and best portion of our labor is seen though out the scriptures. Giving God left overs is not an acceptable practice in our service to God. I agree, and also Cain’s offering came from his “works,” while Abel’s came from a sacrifice of one of his flock - blood sacrifice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi4Yahweh Posted February 17 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 17 2 minutes ago, Charlie744 said: I agree, and also Cain’s offering came from his “works,” while Abel’s came from a sacrifice of one of his flock - blood sacrifice. I would argue that raising livestock takes just as much work or more than farming fruits and vegetables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie744 Posted February 17 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 2,670 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 859 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/29/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted February 17 21 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said: I would argue that raising livestock takes just as much work or more than farming fruits and vegetables. No argument here, but there must be a blood sacrifice. I will take a look in Genesis and hopefully be able to comment further… thanks, Charlie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted February 17 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,822 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,811 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 17 I think the New Testament gives some insight into Cain. It was more than just fruit vs. livestock. Hebrews 11:4 "By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain, through which he was commended as righteous, God commending him by accepting his gifts. And through his faith, though he died, he still speaks. 1 John 3:12 "We should not be like Cain, who was of the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own deeds were evil and his brother's righteous. Jude verse 11 "Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain and abandoned themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam's error and perished in Korah's rebellion. In my mind... The FAITH of Abel came first, so says Hebrews 11:4. Cain had none. Cain was evil and of the devil - so says 1 John and Jude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted February 17 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 243 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,970 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,883 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Online Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted February 17 54 minutes ago, Charlie744 said: No argument here, but there must be a blood sacrifice. I will take a look in Genesis and hopefully be able to comment further… thanks, Charlie It sometimes helps to ponder an alternative, in this case, God deciding to prevent Cain from killing Abel by also accepting his offering, but then that opens the door to sin, falling short of righteousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondET Posted February 17 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,869 Content Per Day: 1.22 Reputation: 816 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted February 17 3 hours ago, Michael37 said: It sometimes helps to ponder an alternative, in this case, God deciding to prevent Cain from killing Abel by also accepting his offering, but then that opens the door to sin, falling short of righteousness. Cain might of thought he had a leg up in being the firstborn, didn't have to give the same effort as Abel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted February 17 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,227 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,485 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted February 17 I believe there's a heart situation in the gift... when you care for a animal you are naturally attached to it. It is living as it contains blood. It is one thing to chop up a vegetable and quite another a animal you have nurtured... I have never wept over a tomato I sliced, but a pet something much different: Psalms 51:17 (KJV) [17] The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. When it costs us- God recognizes His Own cost 'His Only Son'... this drawn to conclusion in Abraham and Issiac with God staying the hand of Abraham and God providing the sacrifice! It has always fell to God to redeem us but it falls to us to understand that price... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie744 Posted February 17 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 2,670 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 859 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/29/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted February 17 13 minutes ago, enoob57 said: I believe there's a heart situation in the gift... when you care for a animal you are naturally attached to it. It is living as it contains blood. It is one thing to chop up a vegetable and quite another a animal you have nurtured... I have never wept over a tomato I sliced, but a pet something much different: Psalms 51:17 (KJV) [17] The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. When it costs us- God recognizes His Own cost 'His Only Son'... this drawn to conclusion in Abraham and Issiac with God staying the hand of Abraham and God providing the sacrifice! It has always fell to God to redeem us but it falls to us to understand that price... Abraham had total faith in God. Did Cain somehow lack sufficient faith in God? If the offering type was not the basis for God’s disapproval, why was Cain’s offering unacceptable? Later on, both a grain and a blood offering would be acceptable in the Levitical system. This is a very interesting topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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