A fascinating insight into a serious financial need- Immigrants

[Neighbor]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/arizona-aging-population-care-immigrants-100615989.html

Americans are old the nation is one of old people with need of personal care. Who will be the caregivers of tomorrow within the USA?

Who are they today for that matter?

Without immigrants lots of immigrants there will be no caregivers!

 My mother lived to be 93, had need of care for over two decades, 24/7 care for one decade. Between family and hired help the need was great. It required hiring the only people willing to do the work - immigrants. Even then the cost, the minimum legal cost exceeded 23 dollars an hour. Who natural born in America will work today for an employees share of that? None! America needs immigration lots of it.

[FJK]

4 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Who natural born in America will work today for an employees share of that? None! America needs immigration lots of it.

Isn't that like saying that Ame4rica needs a new permanent underclass that will effectively be a replacement for the old slave class?

[RdJ]

50 minutes ago, FJK said:

Isn't that like saying that Ame4rica needs a new permanent underclass that will effectively be a replacement for the old slave class?

In Holland the ones who mainly do it (part time) are women who are married, so their man gets most of the income in and it doesn't matter. It's just an extra. But people are getting older. Nobody wants a load of kids. But most rather have an easier job that pays more.

In Denmark they want to keep their money for themselves and immigrants are not welcome, because that costs them money if they don't find a job. But I read somewhere that now they are getting old (first the Netherlands and then Denmark have relatively the most old people from Europe) and now they get a problem.

[FJK]

3 minutes ago, Renskedejonge said:

In Holland the ones who mainly do it (part time) are women who are married, so their man gets most of the income in and it doesn't matter. It's just an extra. But people are getting older. Nobody wants a load of kids. But most rather have an easier job that pays more.

In Denmark they want to keep their money for themselves and immigrants are not welcome, because that costs them money if they don't find a job. But I read somewhere that now they are getting old (first the Netherlands and then Denmark have relatively the most old people from Europe) and now they get a problem.

Something to consider, something most people never think of, is the situation in Japan and how they are looking to handle it.  Japan has practically no immigrant population, they keep themselves as close to being 100% ethnically Japanese country as possible(currently around 98% ethnic Japanese).  Immigration is pretty much not allowed there.

I think that is one of the reasons that they are becoming so advanced in robotics and AI, to make up for the lack of younger workers to fill service positions.

[farouk]

On 2/18/2024 at 6:42 AM, Neighbor said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/arizona-aging-population-care-immigrants-100615989.html

Americans are old the nation is one of old people with need of personal care. Who will be the caregivers of tomorrow within the USA?

Who are they today for that matter?

Without immigrants lots of immigrants there will be no caregivers!

 My mother lived to be 93, had need of care for over two decades, 24/7 care for one decade. Between family and hired help the need was great. It required hiring the only people willing to do the work - immigrants. Even then the cost, the minimum legal cost exceeded 23 dollars an hour. Who natural born in America will work today for an employees share of that? None! America needs immigration lots of it.

In parts of Canada - the West - the coffee franchises such as Tim Horton's find it hard at times to recruit ppl to work there because local ppl don't want to work there.

So the franchisees recruit temporary workers from places such as the Philippines where ppl are keen to come to Canada to work on a temporary visa.

But..............then the local ppl who didn't want to work at Tim Horton's become resentful of the Asian workers.

One cannot have it both ways: refusing to work at places where there is work available and then simultaneously becoming resentful at those who are willing to work there.

cc @Renskedejonge

Edited February 19, 2024 by farouk

[RdJ]

1 hour ago, farouk said:

In parts of Canada - the West - the coffee franchises such as Tim Horton's find it hard at times to recruit ppl to work there because local ppl don't want to work there.

So the franchisees recruit temporary workers from places such as the Philippines where ppl are keen to come to Canada to work on a temporary visa.

But..............then the local ppl who didn't want to work at Tim Horton's become resentful of the Asian workers.

One cannot have it both ways: refusing to work at places where there is work available and then simultaneously becoming resentful at those who are willing to work there.

cc @Renskedejonge

The slaves must work and be quiet and live in a tent so we can live in luxury. You see the same here. Slaughter houses, most gruesome work, horribly paid, nobody wants to do that, so Polish do such jobs to send money to their family. If a Dutch person doesn't want to work they are forced to look for work, but only a a well paid cosy job if you have a diploma and not really forced. They are not gonna tell someone with a phd that they have to work at the KFC, nooo the work must be fitting and they get govt money. I know a Dutch guy who refused to work for 20 years now and he lives in a big fat govt house for 300 euro with his cat and dog, while I live in a 1 bedroom with 3 teens, which is not that bad. Once we helped a Polish guy who was wandering on the street at night. Let him stay with us. He was kicked out of the small house he lived in with 2o others. Unbelievable and he paid a lot for it and he worked full time. Then they whine: They take our jobs and houses!

Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries that are coming upon you! 2 Your riches [a]are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have heaped up treasure in the last days. 4 Indeed the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out; and the cries of the reapers have reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth.

 

Edited February 19, 2024 by Renskedejonge

[farouk]

2 minutes ago, Renskedejonge said:

The slaves must work and be quiet and live in a tent so we can live in luxury. You see the same here. Slaughter houses, most gruesome work, horribly paid, nobody wants to do that, so Polish do such jobs to send money to their family. If a Dutch person doesn't want to work they are forced to look for work, but only a a well paid cosy job if you have a diploma and not really forced. They are not gonna tell someone with a phd that they have to work at the KFC, nooo the work must be fitting and they get govt money. I know a Dutch guy who refused to work for 20 years now and he lives in a big fat govt house for 300 euro with his cat and dog, while I live in a 1 bedroom with 3 teens, which is not that bad. Once we helped a Polish guy who was wandering on the street at night. Let him stay with us. He was kicked out of the small house he lived in with 2o others. Unbelievable and he paid a lot for it and he worked full time. Then they whine: They take our jobs and houses!

Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries that are coming upon you! 2 Your riches [a]are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have heaped up treasure in the last days. 4 Indeed the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out; and the cries of the reapers have reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth.

 

@Renskedejonge Good passage quoted there............

[Neighbor]

3 hours ago, Renskedejonge said:

o Polish do such jobs to send money to their family.

Huh?  Hmm, interesting in that  there have been documentary news reports that North Korea supplies the laborers for Polish shipyards because the Polish native population refuses to work at  them.

[RdJ]

22 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Huh?  Hmm, interesting in that  there have been documentary news reports that North Korea supplies the laborers for Polish shipyards because the Polish native population refuses to work at  them.

Didn't know that. Evil.

https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/en/news/2016/05/north-korea-uses-ingenious-constructions-to-supply-forced-labour-to-the-eu

[Neighbor]

I am pretty sure it was PBS that ran a series on how many European countries are doing the same thing as their own populations of native born will not work.

 

"Of all the egregious forms of modern day slavery, none is more despicable or far reaching than the export of slave labor by North Korea. It's estimated that North Korean slave labor is utilized in over 45 countries around the world, including in the European Union, and entails the exploitation of between 100,000 and 200,000 individuals. The government of North Korea and various affiliated organizations "earn" an estimated two to three billion dollars yearly from the exploitation of its citizens as slave labor. As economic sanctions have bitten deeper into North Korea's economy, Pyongyang has responded by steadily increasing the number of laborers it exports."  https://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/07/10/how-north-korea-uses-slave-labor-exports-to-circumvent-sanctions.html