Is America Missing in Prophecy?

[Last Daze]

3 hours ago, FJK said:

You seem to be talking in generalizations without specific meaning, this can lead to large misunderstandings.

So for the sake of clarity could you name a few of those Jews you have referred to and show how they are losing power as their corruption is being exposed?

That would make things clear and leave no interpretive guesswork about meanings to cause misunderstanding.

I'll let you do your own research and form your own opinions, if you care to.  If not, no biggie. 

[BlindSeeker]

On 3/29/2024 at 4:32 PM, Shilohsfoal said:

So many questions for someone you believe to be ignorant.

You wish to learn from those you deem ignorant?

Hahaha

Ignorance is not stupidity nor evidence of stubbornness, it's simply a state of not knowing. A wise man understand that everyone is certainly more ignorant than they are knowledgeable, and therefore the first step in successful discourse is to endeavor to understand the position of others.

1 Cor 8:2 - And if any man think that he knows any thing, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know.

1 Cor 13:8 - Charity never fails: but prophecies, they shall fail;  tongues, they shall cease; and knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9 For we only know in part, and [at best] we prophesy in part... 12 For now we see through a glass darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

My quest, and hence my questions, is to understand your position and the foundation upon which it stands.

[BlindSeeker]

On 3/29/2024 at 5:07 PM, Last Daze said:

The dragon is Satan or the devil.

The beast is the one with the seven heads and ten horns.  He is an evil spirit prince who is responsible for setting the global stage for the rise of the man of sin.

Since the dragon has “seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads,” similarly to the beast of Rev 13:1, which has a different body description, but also has “seven heads and ten horns” but instead of “seven crowns upon his heads” is said to have “upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy,” I would ask the following –

1.      Would you consider the read dragon also to be a beast, or could based upon its imagery be called a beast?

2.     Do you consider the dragon to be the same as the serpent?

3.      If not, why not? Who then is the red dragon?

4.     Why the difference in crowns between the dragon and the first beast is he a prince under Satan?

 

On 3/29/2024 at 5:07 PM, Last Daze said:

The false prophet is the beast from the earth with two horns.  He is the man of sin, the son of perdition.

Other prophetic "players" would include the harlot...

5. What is the correlation between "the beast from the earth with two horns as a lamb" and the "Mother of Harlots."

6. Who are the harlot daughters?

7. Do you recognize a civil/religious distinction (similar to that with Ezra/Nehemiah) in the players mentioned between chapter 13-18? Is so how?

[Shilohsfoal]

9 minutes ago, BlindSeeker said:

Ignorance is not stupidity nor evidence of stubbornness, it's simply a state of not knowing. A wise man understand that everyone is certainly more ignorant than they are knowledgeable, and therefore the first step in successful discourse is to endeavor to understand the position of others.

1 Cor 8:2 - And if any man think that he knows any thing, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know.

1 Cor 13:8 - Charity never fails: but prophecies, they shall fail;  tongues, they shall cease; and knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9 For we only know in part, and [at best] we prophesy in part... 12 For now we see through a glass darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

My quest, and hence my questions, is to understand your position and the foundation upon which it stands.

Have you read the Quran or the Hadith about Muslims destroying Dajall's armed forces?They are taught the jihad will take place after a three year drought .They attack after the three year drought caused by the two witnesses .

If you haven't read the Hadith,then you wouldn't understand why the beast that ascends out of the abyss attacks and kills Jerusalems defenders at the time of the end.

 

Revelation 17:11

And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

 

This beast is Muslim and it attacks Jerusalem killing the two witnesses and the gentiles who accompany them.

 

Muslkms are taught and believe the world will convert to islam if they win this war.They also believe Jesus will kill the Dajall at that time near the gate of Ludd.

 

Things don't quite turn out the way they want. The United states destroys them all.The whole middle east from Iran to Egypt will be wiped out.It will be so devastating no one will be able to live in Egypt for 40 years.No foot of man nor beast will even pass through it .

Daniel 11

⁴¹ He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. ⁴² He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. ⁴³ He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Cushites^[e] in submission. ⁴⁴ But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. 

 

 

 

It will be the greatest tribulation the world has ever seen.

[BlindSeeker]

On 3/30/2024 at 3:35 PM, Last Daze said:

It may help if point out that the beast and his 10 horns are evil spirit beings as evidenced by their coming up out of the abyss, and that they work to cast down the harlot in preparation for the rise of the man of sin.

So, while I may not be able to say that horn #3 did this and #8 is responsible for that, anything leading to the harlot's demise is very likely in some way traceable back to the beast and his 10 horns.  They utterly despise her. 

If you're not able to see the harlot's corruption and wickedness and decay being exposed, just give it a year or so and you won't be able to help but see it.

Does the Mother of Harlots and the red beast she is riding suffer the same fate of destruction from the "ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet?"

1. What is the difference between the one she is riding and the Rev 13:1 beast?

2. Who is the author of all this imagery?

3. Can you explain the various names give to her, "(a) MYSTERY, (b) BABYLON THE GREAT, (c) THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS and (d) ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.?"

[BlindSeeker]

On 3/30/2024 at 5:10 PM, Last Daze said:

  The harlot has deceived...

Why do you keep referring to her a "harlot" instead of "mother of harlots?"

[BlindSeeker]

On 3/30/2024 at 8:37 PM, Last Daze said:

I'll let you do your own research and form your own opinions, if you care to.  If not, no biggie. 

I think for the sake of understanding, it's be best if you presented the foundation of your conclusions. It is evident that almost everyone her has a different prospect and understanding of events and the players.

Perhaps your presenting what we don't presently see will expose our blind-spots, and help us to adjust our position of perspective... or the responses could aid you with yours.

I promise you, no one here has this figured out... nor will they ever. Like Daniel said in various ways at different times in his life to various rulers, "There is a God in heaven who reveals things to men."  Understanding is given only to those who have "received a love for the truth that they might be saved." 

[BlindSeeker]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Have you read the Quran or the Hadith about Muslims destroying ...

(*insert extremely puzzled face here*)

Well, I am just amazed...

Shilohsfoal, do you remember when you wrote to me last Thursday, (the 28^th) on the  “Some believe he is the chosen one of end times” thread that got shut down? where you asked asked me, “Why do you [BlindSeeker] think I should read non biblical sources to learn biblical verses?”

And you said I was “claiming I'm [or, you - Shilohsfoal, was] making bold words from a position of ignorance" and that it was "is very hateful speech there.”

And remember how you said to me that “...you have no idea what you are talking about." ???

And you accused me of hating, telling me, "Your hate of other christians is very disturbing" and "Your hate for the Catholic church is very disturbing." ???

And how you told that me that my “disregard for the word of God is a huge mistake.” ???

And that, “Perhaps it's time you stop reading extra biblical sources and read what the prophets wrote about the man of sin.” ???

Not to mention the report you gave to other one of me about finding fault with others... it is amazing some things you can almost not-avoid tripping over here due to the height of hypocrisy...

AND now, you are telling me to read the Quran? and study the musings of Mohamad?

Was he one of those "prophets" you were mentioning?

REALLY?

That is your counsel for gaining understanding of Holy Writ?

You are telling people that "If you haven't read the Hadith, then you wouldn't understand??"

Has Worthy Boards turned Chrislam? are the Quran and the Hadith written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in you eyes?

Truthfully, is Mohammad recognized in your eyes as a prophet of God, or of Allah? Exactly where are you? On what foundation are you building upon?

You have truly left me in a sea of disbelief, is this how far Worthy has sunk? Exactly how can this progress with this nonsense from here???

This isn't about "finding fault," because these are your words that I am struggling to understand.... 

Edited April 1 by BlindSeeker

[Shilohsfoal]

9 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

(*insert extremely puzzled face here*)

Well, I am just amazed...

Shilohsfoal, do you remember when you wrote to me last Thursday, (the 28^th) on the  “Some believe he is the chosen one of end times” thread that got shut down? where you asked asked me, “Why do you [BlindSeeker] think I should read non biblical sources to learn biblical verses?”

And you said I was “claiming I'm [or, you - Shilohsfoal, was] making bold words from a position of ignorance" and that it was "is very hateful speech there.”

And remember how you said to me that “...you have no idea what you are talking about." ???

And you accused me of hating, telling me, "Your hate of other christians is very disturbing" and "Your hate for the Catholic church is very disturbing." ???

And how you told that me that my “disregard for the word of God is a huge mistake.” ???

And that, “Perhaps it's time you stop reading extra biblical sources and read what the prophets wrote about the man of sin.” ???

Not to mention the report you gave to other one of me about finding fault with others... it is amazing some things you can almost not-avoid tripping over here due to the height of hypocrisy...

AND now, you are telling me to read the Quran? and study the musings of Mohamad?

Was he one of those "prophets" you were mentioning?

REALLY?

That is your counsel for gaining understanding of Holy Writ?

You are telling people that "If you haven't read the Hadith, then you wouldn't understand??"

Has Worthy Boards turned Chrislam? are the Quran and the Hadith written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in you eyes?

Truthfully, is Mohammad recognized in your eyes as a prophet of God, or of Allah? Exactly where are you? On what foundation are you building upon?

You have truly left me in a sea of disbelief, is this how far Worthy has sunk? Exactly how can this progress with this nonsense from here???

This isn't about "finding fault," because these are your words that I am struggling to understand.... 

Your puzzled because I wanted to know what was on the ten kings minds .

Well your the one working from.a place of ignorance as you say.You are ignorant of what the beast from the abyss and the ten kings think in their mind.I know what's on their mind .That's why I looked into their religion.

 

Revelation 17:13

These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

 

Yes I know ,you still have that puzzled face because(in your own words)you are working from a position of ignorance).

 

Here is more of what is on their mind ,but you will still be just as lost and confused as ever after you read about them.

 

 

See how your enemies growl,
    how your foes rear their heads.
³ With cunning they conspire against your people;
    they plot against those you cherish.
⁴ “Come,” they say, “let us destroy them as a nation,
    so that Israel’s name is remembered no more.”

⁵ With one mind they plot together;
    they form an alliance against you—
⁶ the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites,
    of Moab and the Hagrites,
⁷ Byblos, Ammon and Amalek,
    Philistia, with the people of Tyre.
⁸ Even Assyria has joined them
    to reinforce Lot’s descendants.^[b]

Edited April 1 by Shilohsfoal

[BlindSeeker]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Your puzzled because I wanted to know what was on the ten kings minds .

[emphasis above mine]

Oh, you wanted to know... I guess that makes it right in your own eyes to consult with whatever sources are available.

Have you no fear of the leaven of Mohammadism? Why not?

I could understand someone purposely being familiar with the Quran if God called them as a missionary to spread the Gospel in lands of Islam. But not because one is trying to understand the Bible itself and wants to know something in it. That makes no sense to me. However, I am sure it is a reality for you now however, and you’ll probably call me ignorant again. But I would rather be ignorant and wise, than knowledgeable about fables and foolish.

Shilohsfoal, you worry me and make me think of Saul, from whom the Spirit of God departed, and he too, like you, wanted to know -  

1 Samuel 28:6 - And when Saul enquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets [of Holy Writ]. 7 Then said Saul unto his servants, “Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.”

If God is really with you Shilohsfoal, and IF He wanted you to know, then have you not ears to hear what the Spirit is saying? I doubt it was the leading of the Holy Spirit for you to read the source upon which you have established your eschatology conclusions and would therefore say your mortar is surely untempered.

Eze 13:14  - So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 15 Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it;

 Eze 22:28 - And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD has not spoken such.

Or maybe it is simply God doesn’t want you to know, in that it isn’t your calling to make these things known unto others. So, to you God might be saying as He did to Daniel (who also wanted to know), said “I heard but I understood not, so I asked, “O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?” Yet the Lord replied, “Go your way, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.”

And yet, here was Daniel, a man you keep pointing me to, who we both know “in all matters of wisdom and understanding… was found ten times better than all the magicians and astrologers that were in all his realm.” Yet Daniel was but a deliverer of prophecies and not the deliverer of the interpretations thereof. Over and over Daniel had to ask an angel for their meanings or wait for God to give a vision of interpretation in matters.

And yet, because you wanted to know and understand what is written in Revelation, you went and read the Quran and the musings of a prophet of Allah? Really? Is there a good example of this in scripture, for I know of none….

IMHO, any truly regenerated believer should know it is only the Lord that “gives wisdom and understanding,” that the Bible alone is a “sure word of prophecy.” Not Mohammad or Allah, nor a moon god….

Did not God reveal His secrets unto Daniel in a night vision, and Daniel said, “Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are His?”  Shiloahsfoal, Daniel didn’t figure any of this out, and neither will you.

Did Daniel not tell us that it is the God of the Jews that “changes the times and the seasons, removes and sets up kings, and give wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding,” and not Allah or his prophets?

Are you so unwise that you go to another prophet of a moon god to get your understanding? Is God’s ear so dull of hearing that you like Saul cannot get His attention, and yet, because you want to know, you’re willing to run after worldly wise men, sorcerers, wizards, and prophets of other unsaving faiths?

It is God alone, who thanks to Jesus Christ by His Spirit, still “reveals the deep and secret things and knows what is in the darkness, for the light dwells with Him.” And yet even if the moon is full, that is the light you choose to walk by, because you want to know?

How much better your message would be if you were telling me that, the “God of my fathers, has given me wisdom and might, and has made known unto me what I desired of Him…”

Even after his seven years of derangement and madness did Nebuchadnezzar say, “I and extol and honor [only] the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and His ways judgment: and those that walk in pride is He able to abase.”

And Belshazzar, when he was greatly troubled with the handwriting on the wall, “and cried aloud to bring in the astrologers, the Chaldeans, and the soothsayers… and all wise men of Babylon” and yet “they could not read the writing, nor make known to the king the interpretation thereof.”

Again, it was Daniel, the prophet of the true and living God that alone could bring an answer, saying “Let your  gifts be to yourself, and give your rewards to another; yet I will read the writing unto the king, and make known to him the interpretation.”

And Just how was this Daniel you keep pointing to able do this? He had been given this gift, and grace according to the measure of his gift. It was not his wisdom, his own ability, nor even his own desire per se’, but according to God purposes Who sets up and removes kings was Daniel being used.  For “To one is given the working of miracles; and to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits; to another is given divers kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of thereof.”

 And again, do you not know or remember how in Daniel when “It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom, and over these three presidents; of whom Daniel was first?”

And how in their pride and jealousy, “All the presidents of the kingdom, the governors, and the princes, the counsellors, and the captains, have consulted together to establish a royal statute, and to make a firm decree, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any god or man for thirty days,” save Darius the king? And that with no other intent of getting Daniel killed, banned from their personal forum?

And when Darius realized he had been tricked, how he “was sore displeased with himself, and set his heart on Daniel to deliver him,” but couldn’t? 

So did Darius pray to the Persian gods or seek the counsel of the other “wise men?” No, even this pagan king did no such thing.

Instead, “the king went to his palace, and passed the night fasting: forbidding instruments of music to be brought before him, though his sleep went from him.” And “very early in the morning” Darius arose “and when he came to the den, he cried with a lamentable voice unto Daniel, ‘O Daniel, servant of the living God, was your God whom you serve continually able to deliver you from the lions?’”

Because of Daniel, Darius knew that the God of Daniel was alone able to do these things, and therefore ended up making another decree, “That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for HE is the living God, and steadfast forever, and HIS kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and HIS dominion shall be even unto the end.”

How much more wisdom could be gleaned form the Book of Ester, with Haman being exposed for all his sins and all his plans finding their fulfillment upon him, instead of the Jews? When King Ahasuerus “hung Haman on the gallows that he had prepared for Mordecai.” King Ahasuerus too makes a decree he wrote “according to all that Mordecai commanded unto the Jews… in the king Ahasuerus' name, and sealed it with the king's ring, and sent letters by posts on horseback, and riders on mules, camels, and young dromedaries” granting to all “Jews which were in every city to gather themselves together, and to stand for their life, to destroy, to slay, and to cause to perish, all the power of the people and province that would assault them, both little ones and women, and to take the spoil of them for a prey.

 

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Well your the one working from a place of ignorance as you say. You are ignorant of what the beast from the abyss and the ten kings think in their mind. I know what's on their mind .That's why I looked into their religion.

No, no, and again no, I will have no pagan gods involved in my understand… nor do I need prophets of another spirit here….

I will abide in God’s word, and prayer seek His guidance alone to lead me into all truth, living and walking in His Spirit. For what fellowship has the Spirit of Christ with Allah?