RdJ Posted April 11 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,207 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 686 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/11/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/25/1970 Share Posted April 11 3 hours ago, BeyondET said: So there is more understanding of Genesis?, because the wise man searches for the answers with the creator. Jesus knew and Peter walked with Him 3,5 years. Maybe he asked. and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. II Peter 3:4-7 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/2pe.3.4-7.NKJV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted April 11 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,469 Content Per Day: 8.05 Reputation: 623 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted April 11 On 4/10/2024 at 6:39 AM, RV_Wizard said: 2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears." The fool searches for answers with the creation. The wise man searches for answers with the Creator. And the Creator wrote Genesis so that men CAN understand what went on. If only such "wise men" are interested in what the Hebrew really means, which is by seeing how the words are translated elsewhere in the OT, which you have shown no interest in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted April 11 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,469 Content Per Day: 8.05 Reputation: 623 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted April 11 6 hours ago, BeyondET said: There's two faces mentioned in v2, they are not one in the same. One is the deep and the other is the waters. A very thick ice pack would be very "deep". The "waters" would indicate melting the ice pack from the Holy Spirit hovering over the pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddyv Posted April 11 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,265 Content Per Day: 2.90 Reputation: 2,302 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/03/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted April 11 On 4/4/2024 at 12:52 PM, SavedOnebyGrace said: According to Genesis 1, when was the Ice Age? No ice age mentioned in Genesis 1. Or anywhere else recorded in the Bible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 11 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,260 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,988 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 11 Maybe that's where some of the water of the flood went. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondET Posted April 11 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,875 Content Per Day: 1.22 Reputation: 816 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted April 11 4 hours ago, FreeGrace said: A very thick ice pack would be very "deep". The "waters" would indicate melting the ice pack from the Holy Spirit hovering over the pack. Scripture would only mentioned the face of the deep, if that's the case. Ice melting doesn't have a face it's just melting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddyv Posted April 11 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,265 Content Per Day: 2.90 Reputation: 2,302 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/03/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted April 11 2 minutes ago, BeyondET said: Scripture would only mentioned the face of the deep, if that's the case. Ice melting doesn't have a face it's just melting. Or maybe is a literary allusion to primordial chaos... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted April 11 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,469 Content Per Day: 8.05 Reputation: 623 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted April 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, BeyondET said: FreeGrace said: A very thick ice pack would be very "deep". The "waters" would indicate melting the ice pack from the Holy Spirit hovering over the pack. Scripture would only mentioned the face of the deep, if that's the case. Ice melting doesn't have a face it's just melting. What I read is "face of the deep" and "face of the waters". All in one verse. Why wouldn't they be related; the deep and the waters. Seems kinda obvious to me. What do you think is meant by the Holy Spirit hovering over the face of the waters? ps: of course there is a "face" to melting waters. Water that is melting does have a 'face'. It's the surface of the puddle, pond, lake, sea or ocean. Edited April 11 by FreeGrace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted April 11 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,469 Content Per Day: 8.05 Reputation: 623 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted April 11 1 hour ago, teddyv said: Or maybe is a literary allusion to primordial chaos... Is there any evidence from Scripture that God would create the earth in such minute stages that "primordial chaos" would be the starting point? That doesn't sound anything like the rest of Genesis 1 where the text says: "let there be" or "let them..." in v.3,6,9,11,14,15,20,24. In the Hebrew, it is merely "light, BE!!" And it was so. God didn't say anything about "letting". He simply spoke into existence all the things in the verses cited above. There is no evidence that God created the heavens and earth in stages, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondET Posted April 12 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,875 Content Per Day: 1.22 Reputation: 816 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted April 12 (edited) 7 hours ago, FreeGrace said: What I read is "face of the deep" and "face of the waters". All in one verse. Why wouldn't they be related; the deep and the waters. Seems kinda obvious to me. What do you think is meant by the Holy Spirit hovering over the face of the waters? ps: of course there is a "face" to melting waters. Water that is melting does have a 'face'. It's the surface of the puddle, pond, lake, sea or ocean. Just because it's in the same verse doesn't they are the same. The lights and the expanse is in one verse doesn't mean they are related. how can deep melt? Water can be in three states yet its water nonetheless rather solid liquid or gas. It mentions darkness and that's where light was separated. Edited April 12 by BeyondET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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