Two times God gathers Israel, the next time is when He comes

[dad2]

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All I know is that as God is love according to 1 John 4:8 & 16,-- then individuals who believe in loving their neighbor, as are the examples of the Samaritan in Luke 10,

His love in us causes us to love others. Not our own love

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and the sheep in Matthew 25:34-40, who inherit the kingdom of heaven;

Those were already separated by God. Already saved.

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then so are they who believe in loving their neighbor throughout the world who shall inherit the kingdom of heaven.

He lives in us. Believing in Jesus saves us, nothing else and surely not works of our own. The people who were harvested by God and at His right hand were believers in Jesus. They probably didn't have much time to learn and grow in the word coming from that tribulation, and many were killed. But they are rewarded for the works they did do...just as we all are! The church was Raptured years before this and had already stood before Jesus and received rewards. Rewards are not salvation! They are given to saved people for works they did. In the case of the tribulation saints separated at the end of the tribulation, they receive rewards as well based on what they were able to do. What we have here seems to be Jesus commending saved believers from the tribulation period for their works and bringing them to the place prepared for them (and us, and where we will already be at that time)

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The inverse for this also holds true, where individuals who thought they believed in Christ, but did not believe in loving their neighbor, and therefore did not really believe in God who is love; --the Lord (love), shall inform them that He (love) never knew them (Matthew 7:21-23).

The ones He informs are the unsaved of course. They do not know Him. We do.

[luigi]

10 hours ago, dad2 said:

His love in us causes us to love others. Not our own love

Those were already separated by God. Already saved.

He lives in us. Believing in Jesus saves us, nothing else and surely not works of our own. The people who were harvested by God and at His right hand were believers in Jesus. They probably didn't have much time to learn and grow in the word coming from that tribulation, and many were killed. But they are rewarded for the works they did do...just as we all are! The church was Raptured years before this and had already stood before Jesus and received rewards. Rewards are not salvation! They are given to saved people for works they did. In the case of the tribulation saints separated at the end of the tribulation, they receive rewards as well based on what they were able to do. What we have here seems to be Jesus commending saved believers from the tribulation period for their works and bringing them to the place prepared for them (and us, and where we will already be at that time)

The ones He informs are the unsaved of course. They do not know Him. We do.

From what I understand of the verses in the Word about the Samaritan in Luke 10, and the sheep in Matthew 25:34-40, is that to believe in Christ is to believe in love, and loving your neighbor. People therefore who believe in loving their neighbor as did the Samaritan in Luke 10, and the sheep in Matthew 25:34-40, do without realizing it believe in Christ, and the Father who is Love.

[dad2]

6 hours ago, luigi said:

From what I understand of the verses in the Word about the Samaritan in Luke 10, and the sheep in Matthew 25:34-40, is that to believe in Christ is to believe in love, and loving your neighbor. People therefore who believe in loving their neighbor as did the Samaritan in Luke 10, and the sheep in Matthew 25:34-40, do without realizing it believe in Christ, and the Father who is Love.

To have God in us is to have love in us. It is not our own love that saves us. Love is a result of being saved and having God, who is love, in us. Jesus told the Pharisees one time that He knew them, that they did not have the love of God in them.

[luigi]

18 hours ago, dad2 said:

To have God in us is to have love in us. It is not our own love that saves us. Love is a result of being saved and having God, who is love, in us. Jesus told the Pharisees one time that He knew them, that they did not have the love of God in them.

I think the meaning of Christ telling the Pharisees that He knew them, was in regards to their characters, being hypocrites. Christ as Love did not know them.

When individuals such as the Samaritan in Luke 10, who had love from God on his enemy, the stripped half dead Jew, meet Christ; the Samaritan will be among the sheep in Luke 25:34-40, who inherit the kingdom of heaven. Jesus did say He has sheep from many folds in the world. And those sheep, though unaware of Him as Christ in Luke 25:34-40, believe in love for their neighbor, and thus do Gods will.

[dad2]

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I think the meaning of Christ telling the Pharisees that He knew them, was in regards to their characters, being hypocrites. Christ as Love did not know them.

He did say He knew the love of God was not in them. How could it be unless He was in them?

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When individuals such as the Samaritan in Luke 10, who had love from God on his enemy, the stripped half dead Jew, meet Christ; the Samaritan will be among the sheep in Luke 25:34-40, who inherit the kingdom of heaven.

The parable was about someone who already had love in him. Not someone working up a passage to heaven. There is only one door, one way to heaven, and that is Jesus.

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Jesus did say He has sheep from many folds in the world. And those sheep, though unaware of Him as Christ in Luke 25:34-40, believe in love for their neighbor, and thus do Gods will.

He does have people who need to find Him and know Him so they also can get saved. It does not say those people are people who already are saved and have Him in them now. They need to come to Jesus like everyone else and are not saved by their own works at all. The only way we have His love in us is by having Jesus in our lives and heart. It is not like some are so good (none are good, no not one) that they save themselves without Jesus by doing wonderful works (which are like filthy rags when it comes to paying for eternal life)

[Revelation Man]

On 4/20/2024 at 6:50 AM, Diaste said:

Jewish people, or Israel?

They are one and the same now. Ezekiel 37's Prophecy of two sticks stated this would come to pass. Personally, I do not understand why people do not take into account where all Israelis lived after the Northern Kingdoms were toted off. They lived in Judea so they were Judeans or Jews just like Italians, the Irish or Africans who moved to New York 50-100 years ago are now all New Yorkers or Americans, so likewise the other 11 tribes who lived in Judea over time became known as Judeans or Jews. 

So, when Israel were again toted off at the Diaspora, they were known as Jews from Judea. They were however All Israel. When the same people were killed by Hitler, they were called Jews, but they were from all 12 tribes, so when God brought them back, they were the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel, God said so.

Ezekiel 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

They are now one and the same as KNOWN by the world, and most do not even know which tribe they were from, some may, most don't. 

[Diaste]

21 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

They are one and the same now. Ezekiel 37's Prophecy of two sticks stated this would come to pass. Personally, I do not understand why people do not take into account where all Israelis lived after the Northern Kingdoms were toted off. They lived in Judea so they were Judeans or Jews just like Italians, the Irish or Africans who moved to New York 50-100 years ago are now all New Yorkers or Americans, so likewise the other 11 tribes who lived in Judea over time became known as Judeans or Jews. 

So, when Israel were again toted off at the Diaspora, they were known as Jews from Judea. They were however All Israel. When the same people were killed by Hitler, they were called Jews, but they were from all 12 tribes, so when God brought them back, they were the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel, God said so.

Ezekiel 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

They are now one and the same as KNOWN by the world, and most do not even know which tribe they were from, some may, most don't. 

Paul said, "If you you are in Christ you are the seed of Abraham."

Not, "If you are in Christ, you are a Jew."

Jew is religion. Israel is faith.

I imagine God knows the difference.

[Revelation Man]

On 5/7/2024 at 4:43 AM, Diaste said:

Paul said, "If you you are in Christ you are the seed of Abraham."

Not, "If you are in Christ, you are a Jew."

Jew is religion. Israel is faith.

I imagine God knows the difference.

CONTEXT MATTERS. 

In Galatians why does Paul call them foolish? Because they having started out in the Spirit (Faith) were now in the Flesh (serving the Law) and the whole chapter is Paul chastising them because of that, he then shows how the law avails nothing, how the PROMISE came 430 years before THE LAW, how the law was just a schoolmaster to bring us unto Faith in Christ Jesus and now that Jesus has come the law is no longer needed etc. etc. 

THEN....Paul says this and it confuses people enough that they get it all wrong, they turn Paul's message completely around and twist its meaning unknowingly. I can prove 100% Paul is not saying that there are no Jews and Gentiles now and we are all one in Christ, in the manner you assume. 

Gal. 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

So, do you not see the point Paul is making here? By reading the FULL CONTEXT it becomes very, very clear my friend. But first I want to point out something that should shake this misconception to the core. Are there still MALES & FEMALES in the world today?

Of course, then that juxtaposition should get you and others to understand that CAN NOT be the point Paul was making with the whole, there are no Jews nor Greeks (Gentiles) because if he is also saying there are no Males nor Females then it can't mean what you gentlemen think it means, but how can we understand what it really means? By looking at the full context, of course.

Paul is chastising the Galatians because they had listened to people, more than likely Jews whom had converted unto Christianity, who were telling them you have to keep the Law in order to please God and make it to heaven. So, no doubt they started keeping the Sabbath, doing sacrifices et al. So, Paul was like WHAT ARE YOU DOING !!! Why did you start out in the Faith (Spirit) only to start serving The Law (Flesh)? Did you not know the Promise [of Jesus] came 430 years before the Law? 

So, in essence what is Paul telling them? Quit trying to be "Jews" in order to make it into Heaven (via WORKS of the FLESH). We are all ONE in Christ Jesus, both the Jew and Greek, Slave and Freeman, AND Male and Female. 

This of course did not mean there were no slaves at that time right? And it did not mean that there were no males and females right? And alas, it also NEVER MEANT there were now no Jews nor Gentiles either, that's a misconception. Paul is chastising the Galatians because they thought they had to be "Jew LIKE via serving the Laws" in order to "work their way to Heaven". 

So, Paul is pointing to the one thing that ties ALL THREE GROUPS that he mentioned together.......Male & Females, Jews & Gentiles and Slaves & Freemen... and that would be FAITH in Christ Jesus. Paul is saying there is only ONE WAY to make it to heaven and that IS NOT the law, it is by FAITH ALONE that we make it to Heaven, both Jew and Greek, Male and Female et al. 

When someone finally grasps there are still Males and Females then it should hit them that Paul is NOT SAYING we are all one, as in males/females or Jews & Gentiles, but is instead pointing unto how we all gain entrance into heaven in the EXACT SAME MANNER.......both Male & Female, Jew & Gentile, and that lone way is by FAITH ALONE. Anyone who thinks God just shows up and saves 1/3 of Israel at the very end are also not thinking correctly, they must come unto Christ by FAITH ALONE also, thus the 1/3 who repent do so just before the DOTL and the 2/3 who will perish or die just as Zech. 13:8-9 says. Which is just before the DOTL arrives in Zech. 14:1-2. 

This is how we get off-tracked and go down cul-de-sacs my friend. You actually think Paul meant there will be no Jews now, thus there will be no Kingdom Age as God promised Abraham, all because you have misunderstood what Paul meant here. Never let one verse or passage override God's promises. When that happens, TAKE ANOTHER, DEEPER LOOK !! God never confuses us, we confuse ourselves. Jews are the people of Israel, the Christians in the USA and elsewhere are not Israel. Paul was merely saying we are all going to come unto Christ Jesus in the EXACT SAME MANNER. We are one in Jesus that way, not in our Nationalities or on our Sex status. 

 

Edited Wednesday at 01:10 PM by Revelation Man

[Diaste]

18 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

CONTEXT MATTERS. 

In Galatians why does Paul call them foolish? Because they having started out in the Spirit (Faith) were now in the Flesh (serving the Law) and the whole chapter is Paul chastising them because of that, he then shows how the law avails nothing, how the PROMISE came 430 years before THE LAW, how the law was just a schoolmaster to bring us unto Faith in Christ Jesus and now that Jesus has come the law is no longer needed etc. etc. 

THEN....Paul says this and it confuses people enough that they get it all wrong, they turn Paul's message completely around and twist its meaning unknowingly. I can prove 100% Paul is not saying that there are no Jews and Gentiles now and we are all one in Christ, in the manner you assume. 

Gal. 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

So, do you not see the point Paul is making here? By reading the FULL CONTEXT it becomes very, very clear my friend. But first I want to point out something that should shake this misconception to the core. Are there still MALES & FEMALES in the world today?

Of course, then that juxtaposition should get you and others to understand that CAN NOT be the point Paul was making with the whole, there are no Jews nor Greeks (Gentiles) because if he is also saying there are no Males nor Females then it can't mean what you gentlemen think it means, but how can we understand what it really means? By looking at the full context, of course.

Paul is chastising the Galatians because they had listened to people, more than likely Jews whom had converted unto Christianity, who were telling them you have to keep the Law in order to please God and make it to heaven. So, no doubt they started keeping the Sabbath, doing sacrifices et al. So, Paul was like WHAT ARE YOU DOING !!! Why did you start out in the Faith (Spirit) only to start serving The Law (Flesh)? Did you not know the Promise [of Jesus] came 430 years before the Law? 

So, in essence what is Paul telling them? Quit trying to be "Jews" in order to make it into Heaven (via WORKS of the FLESH). We are all ONE in Christ Jesus, both the Jew and Greek, Slave and Freeman, AND Male and Female. 

This of course did not mean there were no slaves at that time right? And it did not mean that there were no males and females right? And alas, it also NEVER MEANT there were now no Jews nor Gentiles either, that's a misconception. Paul is chastising the Galatians because they thought they had to be "Jew LIKE via serving the Laws" in order to "work their way to Heaven". 

So, Paul is pointing to the one thing that ties ALL THREE GROUPS that he mentioned together.......Male & Females, Jews & Gentiles and Slaves & Freemen... and that would be FAITH in Christ Jesus. Paul is saying there is only ONE WAY to make it to heaven and that IS NOT the law, it is by FAITH ALONE that we make it to Heaven, both Jew and Greek, Male and Female et al. 

When someone finally grasps there are still Males and Females then it should hit then that Paul is NOT SAYING we are all one, as in males/females or Jews & Gentiles, but is instead pointing unto how we all gain entrance into heaven in the EXACT SAME MANNER.......both Male & Female, Jew & Gentile, and that lone way is by FAITH ALONE. Anyone who thinks God just shows up and saves 1/3 of Israel at the very end are also not thinking correctly, they must come unto Christ by FAITH ALONE also, thus the 1/3 who repent and the 2/3 will perish or die just as Zech. 13:8-9 says.

This is how we get off-tracked and go down cul-de-sacs my friend. You actually think Paul meant there will be no Jews now, thus there will be no Kingdom Age as God promised Abraham, all because you have misunderstood what Paul meant here. Never let one verse or passage override God's promises. When that happens, TAKE ANOTHER, DEEPER LOOK !! God never confuses us, we confuse ourselves. Jews are the people of Israel, the Christians in the USA and elsewhere are not Israel. Paul was merely saying we are all going to come unto Christ Jesus in the EXACT SAME MANNER. We are one in Jesus that way, not in our Nationalities or on our Sex status. 

 

I don't think one word of your response had anything to do with the point I made, a point which was relevant to your earlier response.

But what do I know? 

 

[Revelation Man]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

I don't think one word of your response had anything to do with the point I made, a point which was relevant to your earlier response.

But what do I know? 

Of course it did, and you know I am correct on this, there will be a Kingdom Age in which the Jewish Messiah will live amongst Israel for 1000 years. Meanwhile we the Church will not be here on earth for the 1000 years reign. Just look at Rev. 20:4 it proves this brother, most do not even allow this into the lexicon of their vocabulary because everyone is so self centric.

Rev. 20:4 clearly says ONLY those who refused to take the "Mark of the Beast" and who were killed, live and reign with Christ for 1000 years [on earth]. The Church is not here during the 70th week events, we are in heaven marrying the lamb, thus as we return with Jesus we have glorious bodies. So, only those who died during the 70th week will get raised and judged in Rev. 20:4, and only they stay on earth to help Jesus rule. He doesn't need billions of "Angel like men with Glorious Bodies" on earth with him to rule, that would be us doing nothing. 

I thus think we go back to heaven and we help build or finish off the New Jerusalem. Thus as it descends it is called the Bride of Christ, but why? Because we descend in the New Jerusalem, Jesus did not marry an inanimate object my friend. The Jewish nation of Israel has the promises of a Kingdom Age, the Church has no such promises, we are the bride of Christ, Israel are the Fathers bride, that is why they have the Fathers name on their foreheads in Rev. 14. 

You whole point was Israel and the Church are now one and the same. My point was the Jews in Israel NOW are ALL Israel, or else God lied in Ezekiel 37 when He stated He was going to bring the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel back into the land. Those Jews living in Israel now are all 12 Tribes. There is no more tribes out there anywhere.