10 Steps to the End of this Age & Ushering in His Kingdom

[Vine Abider]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

Have you ever considered that prophecy is supposed to get our attention. I makes us "strive" for the PRIZE of the "UPward Call" (lit. Gk.- Phil.3:9-14)

Good insight!  I think it's another of those "all things point to Christ," so yes, it really should get our attention if we have any awareness at all! But I'm constantly amazed at just how dead to these things my flesh is . . .  I mean it's just plain DEAD to having any feeling whatsoever regarding seeing prophetic things unfold - it doesn't seem to get excited or even respond one bit.

Do you think that is what the word means when it says the outer man is dead?  

But Hallelujah - our spirit is life because of (His) righteousness! 

[Marilyn C]

3 hours ago, AdHoc said:

I'll play the "Devil's Advocate" for the sake of debte, especially with my old contender @Marilyn C (smiley)

For those living in the "Bible belt" of the USA, I assume they've heard something about rapture and "the end of the world". But the millions in the Amazonas and Siberia have hardly heard of Jesus. I think that in Arizona you might have a chance, but the Mongolian shepherd boy is not going to be moved by what happens in Jerusalem. His life is just to hard to scare him.

But this does not mean I'm against the plan. Paul, under inspiration, said that even those who, out of jealousy against him, who told the authorities tat he was preaching another king, were preaching Christ. I say, all avenues are open, but that we must not forget that for a man to turn, he must be convicted that he s a sinner. He has to confess Jesus as Lord. Gehenna must be more frightening than siding with the Beast and getting his mark. "Fear not them which can kill the body .... (Matt.10:28).

What say you all?

Yes, dear old contender, Ad Hoc,

We so love to get our teeth into whatever and develop the argument. 

Now obviously we would be aware of the person we are talking to whether the topic is suitable for them. As I said earlier, I am doing this with the atheist viole. She will have to admit that what was given to her from God`s word is true as it comes to pass. 

[Marilyn C]

3 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Agreed. Can't argue with that!

Have you ever considered that prophecy is supposed to get our attention. I makes us "strive" for the PRIZE of the "UPward Call" (lit. Gk.- Phil.3:9-14)

What a great scripture there Ad Hoc. The `upward call` means the `on top calling. ` Thus, we know there are other calling too - to the earth, to the New Jerusalem and to the third heaven. 

[AdHoc]

11 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

Good insight!  I think it's another of those "all things point to Christ," so yes, it really should get our attention if we have any awareness at all! But I'm constantly amazed at just how dead to these things my flesh is . . .  I mean it's just plain DEAD to having any feeling whatsoever regarding seeing prophetic things unfold - it doesn't seem to get excited or even respond one bit.

Do you think that is what the word means when it says the outer man is dead?  

But Hallelujah - our spirit is life because of (His) righteousness! 

Don't expect anything from your flesh. It'll get exited about what is illegal. But maybe our lives are in a comfort zone and we don't want upheaval. The outer man is alive and well. The grand Type is Amalek. God has declared war "from generation to generation". Amalek was known because he attacked the aged, the sick and the weak stragglers. On Sunday at midday when you've just had a meaty Word and sung some of the old songs that edify, the flesh will be indifferent. On Friday after a hard week with little appreciation from your boss and your wife, the lingering eye contact with an eligible woman will have your flesh doing an Irish River Dance. Double vigilance when you're weak!

Indifference to prophecy is OK when it doesn't apply to you. Guys want to bang heads over Daniel. But it is about "Daniel's People". Shall I lose my brother over something that does not concern me. Even the Fig Leaves can be viewed with a cold heart. It's Israel and their Law. But my attitude towards my brother when I expound is VERY important. "That evil servant" did it and lost the kingdom because his Master came as a thief (Matt.24). Now that moves me!

[AdHoc]

10 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Yes, dear old contender, Ad Hoc,

We so love to get our teeth into whatever and develop the argument. 

Now obviously we would be aware of the person we are talking to whether the topic is suitable for them. As I said earlier, I am doing this with the atheist viole. She will have to admit that what was given to her from God`s word is true as it comes to pass. 

Yes, but then its too late. But I know what you're getting at:

[AdHoc]

10 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

What a great scripture there Ad Hoc. The `upward call` means the `on top calling. ` Thus, we know there are other calling too - to the earth, to the New Jerusalem and to the third heaven. 

Yeah. I just wanted to be clear because the KJV, for all its excellence, didn't quite transmit the meaning. The subject of tis passgae in Philippians 3 is the same as 1st Thessalonians 4:13-17 - resurrection and rapture. Only, in Philippians the "OUT-resurrection" ("ex-anastasis") and the PRIZE of the firstfruit rapture must be ATTAINED TO. Paul, as he wrote that, had less than four years left to his martyrdom - and he wasn't convinced that he'd attained to it. Now that is a wake-up call!

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 4/23/2024 at 12:59 PM, Vine Abider said:

 1.    The background - Israel returned in 1948 to become a nation again, after 2,000 years of dispersal throughout the world. This is unprecedented in history. 

2.    Soon, serious conflict in the middle east/Israel will have the whole world greatly disturbed. A charismatic leader arises to power who makes a grand 7 year treaty with Israel and her enemies – great peace and prosperity takes place in the world (but also many disturbing/destructive natural calamities occur). This is the beginning of the final 7 years.

3.    First-fruits (early rapture) are taken directly to God’s throne somewhere in first 3.5 years of the treaty.

Next items happen in rapid succession mid-way through the final week (3.5 years from treaty enactment):

4.    Charismatic leader dealt death blow

5.    Manchild taken to heaven - Satan is cast down to earth

6.    Dead leader comes back to life supernaturally

7.    Leader breaks treaty 3.5 years after signing it & desecrates the Jerusalem temple, setting himself up as God there

8.    Final 3.5 years start – supernatural calamities upon the whole earth - two witnesses appear

Toward the end of last 3.5 years (end of 7 year week):

9.    Large armies gather to middle east – battle of Armageddon

10.   Christ returns to defeat armies and antichrist, and to set up His kingdom on the earth

Because you have these nicely bulleted I'll make a note on each one hoping you all can see the coming grand deception.

 

1. Ezekiel 37:22 did not come to pass in 1948, it has still yet to come to pass, Israel is greatly divided now.
    And Ezekiel 38:11 clearly does not describe the current state of Israel.

2. Likely an Islamic person will be set up to seem to be the anti-Christ to those not paying attention.
War will break out concerning him, Christians being led to believe that he is the anti-Christ.
That a conflict concerning Islam would happen was planned alongside the plan for ww1 and 2,
all three wars were planned by the 'illuminati' and 'free masons'. 
It is a demonic plan of deception leading to the beast and false prophet.

3. The real anti-Christ has a total of 70 years.

4. Likely during the war, a king will seem to be killed,
    a king whose office was in existence since before Revelation was written.
    Note Revelation 17:10

5. The manchild in Revelation 12 is clearly Christ, Christ said He saw satan fall like lightning,
satan was cast down sometime during the initial time of Christ.

6. Likely during the coming war a king will seem to die and be healed from death.

7. That wounded/healed king then starts to declare things about 'outer-space' and how that Jesus will come and end the war
     [ Revelation 13:6 ], and they build a temple to that coming 'Jesus'.

8.  The last captivity starts, last 70 year period of Israel in captivity, in the land and in the world.

9. Large armies gather and war continues, the world led to believe that the wounded/healed king
is a martyr healed by angels from God, and that the world is fighting against the anti-Christ.

10. Supposed Jesus arrives, gloriously causing fire to come down on the armies of one whom
the world was led to believe is the anti-Christ, most likely some Islamic person.
"Jesus" destroys his forces with fire from the sky, and the world rejoices as the war finally ends.

 

 

 

[Dennis1209]

15 hours ago, AdHoc said:

I'll play the "Devil's Advocate" for the sake of debte, especially with my old contender @Marilyn C (smiley)

For those living in the "Bible belt" of the USA, I assume they've heard something about rapture and "the end of the world". But the millions in the Amazonas and Siberia have hardly heard of Jesus. I think that in Arizona you might have a chance, but the Mongolian shepherd boy is not going to be moved by what happens in Jerusalem. His life is just to hard to scare him.

But this does not mean I'm against the plan. Paul, under inspiration, said that even those who, out of jealousy against him, who told the authorities tat he was preaching another king, were preaching Christ. I say, all avenues are open, but that we must not forget that for a man to turn, he must be convicted that he s a sinner. He has to confess Jesus as Lord. Gehenna must be more frightening than siding with the Beast and getting his mark. "Fear not them which can kill the body .... (Matt.10:28).

What say you all?

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: (Romans 1:20)

We are all born with a human spirit (body-soul-spirit) an innate sense of good vs. bad, right vs. wrong. I could cite many examples, and young children test it daily with their parents, teachers, and society.

Romans 1:20 reveals that everyone is given a certain amount of truth and knowledge of the Creator God. I believe what we do with that knowledge and truth will be the basis of judgment for those who never heard of Jesus or the Gospel.

And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. (James 2:23)

But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul. (Deuteronomy 4:29)

I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me. (Proverbs 8:17)

And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:13)

And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. (Luke 11:9)

Today, many Amazonian tribes deep in the jungle, Mongolian shepherd boys, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, etc., are no longer in the stone age. They have smartphones and internet access provided by their respective governments. That does not seem to make logical sense until we take the big picture into account. They are not disconnected and immune from global policies and events.

That is just my perspective.

[AnOrangeCat]

On 4/23/2024 at 12:59 PM, Vine Abider said:

For instance, I probably wouldn't get much into matters concerning the raptures (I believe in multiple, partial raptures). 

I'm actually curious about this one. I've heard of the concept before but it's not one I've looked into very deeply. Is this something you'd be able to elaborate on in another thread maybe?

[Dennis1209]

12 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

What a great scripture there Ad Hoc. The `upward call` means the `on top calling. ` Thus, we know there are other calling too - to the earth, to the New Jerusalem and to the third heaven. 

Kay Paso Marilyn, 😊

Paul does not define the prize of the upward call of God. There are several thoughts on the meaning. Paul associates it with what he witnessed at the Grecian game races and a recognition reward. In my mind, that is works, something earned (crowns, assignments, less wood, hay, stubble), and not associated with the gift of Salvation, Rapture, or Resurrection.

High calling ~ ①      invitation to experience of special privilege and responsibility, call, calling, invitation. ^[1]

 

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^[1] Arndt, William, et al. A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, 3rd ed., University of Chicago Press, 2000, p. 549.