Is Jesus omniscient and omnipotent???

[Your closest friendnt]

11 minutes ago, First and the Last said:

One question at a time in separate posts.

Question One: Do you believe Jesus is Fully God and Fully man?

Of course I am interested in the issues in the question above but how are we going to discuss what scripture has to say about that? 

[First and the Last]

36 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Of course I am interested in the issues in the question above but how are we going to discuss what scripture has to say about that? 

How would you like to start?

[Your closest friendnt]

21 minutes ago, First and the Last said:

How would you like to start?

Your questions has more than one issue. Let's start with the issue of Jesus humanity because John had to deal with it in his epistles. 

When he said some say that Jesus did not come in the flesh and everyone who believes that Jesus has come in the flesh is born from God. 1 John 4:2 

What did John consider to make this bold statement and why should we side with him. Or why we should believe in what he said? To understand why John said that. That he was sure that Jesus has come in the flesh. 

We also have to consider why some people formed another understanding. 

[First and the Last]

7 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Your questions has more than one issue. Let's start with the issue of Jesus humanity because John had to deal with it in his epistles. 

When he said some say that Jesus did not come in the flesh and everyone who believes that Jesus has come in the flesh is born from God. 1 John 4:2 

What did John consider to make this bold statement and why should we side with him. Or why we should believe in what he said? To understand why John said that. That he was sure that Jesus has come in the flesh. 

We also have to consider why some people formed another understanding. 

John's bold statement was based on his firsthand experience and divine revelation. As one of Jesus' closest disciples, John witnessed Jesus' life, ministry, death, and resurrection. His writings are not just theological assertions but eyewitness testimony. We should side with John because his teachings are rooted in his direct encounters with Jesus and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Believing in John's words means trusting the apostolic witness and the early church's foundational truths, which have been faithfully preserved through the centuries.

John's certainty about Jesus' incarnation is grounded in his intimate relationship with Jesus and the profound experiences he shared with Him. John saw Jesus' physical presence, touched Him, and heard His teachings. He also understood the theological significance of the incarnation—that God becoming flesh was essential for the redemption of humanity. This belief in Jesus' genuine humanity and divinity was critical for affirming the truth of the gospel against false doctrines that undermined the reality of Jesus' incarnation and the effectiveness of His atoning sacrifice.

The formation of alternate understandings, like those denying Jesus' humanity, often arose from philosophical influences and attempts to reconcile the divine nature with human experience. Some early heresies were influenced by Gnostic thought, which viewed the material world as inherently evil and thus incompatible with a holy God taking on human flesh. Others struggled with the mystery of the incarnation, finding it difficult to comprehend how Jesus could be both fully God and fully man. These misunderstandings prompted the early church leaders, including John, to clearly articulate and defend the true nature of Christ as revealed in Scripture. Understanding these historical and philosophical contexts helps us appreciate the necessity of John's firm stance on Jesus' humanity and the importance of upholding this truth in our faith.

[Your closest friendnt]

5 minutes ago, First and the Last said:

John's bold statement was based on his firsthand experience and divine revelation. As one of Jesus' closest disciples, John witnessed Jesus' life, ministry, death, and resurrection. His writings are not just theological assertions but eyewitness testimony. We should side with John because his teachings are rooted in his direct encounters with Jesus and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Believing in John's words means trusting the apostolic witness and the early church's foundational truths, which have been faithfully preserved through the centuries.

John's certainty about Jesus' incarnation is grounded in his intimate relationship with Jesus and the profound experiences he shared with Him. John saw Jesus' physical presence, touched Him, and heard His teachings. He also understood the theological significance of the incarnation—that God becoming flesh was essential for the redemption of humanity. This belief in Jesus' genuine humanity and divinity was critical for affirming the truth of the gospel against false doctrines that undermined the reality of Jesus' incarnation and the effectiveness of His atoning sacrifice.

The formation of alternate understandings, like those denying Jesus' humanity, often arose from philosophical influences and attempts to reconcile the divine nature with human experience. Some early heresies were influenced by Gnostic thought, which viewed the material world as inherently evil and thus incompatible with a holy God taking on human flesh. Others struggled with the mystery of the incarnation, finding it difficult to comprehend how Jesus could be both fully God and fully man. These misunderstandings prompted the early church leaders, including John, to clearly articulate and defend the true nature of Christ as revealed in Scripture. Understanding these historical and philosophical contexts helps us appreciate the necessity of John's firm stance on Jesus' humanity and the importance of upholding this truth in our faith.

In the first paragraphs you have bring to our attention what John said in.                       1 John 1:1-5. 

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

² (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

³ That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

⁴ And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

⁵ This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

But why later in the post you have included many things that John did not say to the people in his letter to them. 

We must separate what John said from the things he did?not say. Because we are discussing what John said and why he said what he said with profound centernly. 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

@First and the Last

We know a lot of things about John from his Gospel and from his epistles but we cannot say that for the recipients of his letter. 

For that reason if they read your post, the later part of your post some they may believe that John has said those things when he did not. 

Statements John did not made. Then the question it may be; did John say something to complement the context of the later part of your post?  You have to show cause in the same way that you shaw cause as to why John said Jesus has come in the flesh. 

Those statements are not from John or the other disciples like this found in the later part of your post copy and paste from your post in parentheses imediatly bellow.

Your statement

((John's certainty about Jesus' incarnation is grounded in his intimate relationship with Jesus and the profound experiences he shared with Him. John saw Jesus' physical presence, touched Him, and heard His teachings. He also understood the theological significance of the incarnation—that God becoming flesh was essential for the redemption of humanity. This belief in Jesus' genuine humanity and divinity was critical for affirming the truth of the gospel against false doctrines that undermined the reality of Jesus' incarnation and the effectiveness of His atoning sacrifice.

The formation of alternate understandings, like those denying Jesus' humanity, often arose from philosophical influences and attempts to reconcile the divine nature with human experience. Some early heresies were influenced by Gnostic thought, which viewed the material world as inherently evil and thus incompatible with a holy God taking on human flesh. Others struggled with the mystery of the incarnation, finding it difficult to comprehend how Jesus could be both fully God and fully man. These misunderstandings prompted the early church leaders, including John, to clearly articulate and defend the true nature of Christ as revealed in Scripture. Understanding these historical and philosophical contexts helps us appreciate the necessity of John's firm stance on Jesus' humanity and the importance of upholding this truth in our faith.))

In your statement above specifically you are bringing into consideration many things others have said but not John and those words are not from the other disciples and found in scripture. I protest.  Some words above are John's words but they are mixed with other words that are not John's words and are made to sound that they are when they are not. Like words as  "Incarnation" and "God was made flesh". Regarding the statement made in the fine print are interesting for clarity they should not include the words of incarnation and statements about Gnostics and what they stand for because John did not talk about them as those are the words of other people and not John and may not be truth. 

John did not specify but if we want to comment we should comment from what was known to John and them about Jesus. About Jesus before his resurrection and after his resurrection and related to his body. 

Edited July 10, 2024 by Your closest friendnt

[LaMonte]

On 6/28/2024 at 3:18 PM, Daniel Marsh said:

Is Jesus omniscient and omnipotent???

When it comes to the mystery of Godliness I myself cannot totally comprehend it.

     1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. “KJV”

     1 Timothy 3:16 is one of the clearest teachings on the incarnation of Christ and His Deity. The newer Translations remove “qeos” (Theos-God) which is a noun and changed it to “῝Ος” (Hos-He), which is a pronoun. This is a attack upon the Lord Jesus Christ by removing the fact that He was and is God, and specifically as God being the Savior. (Isa 43:11 KJV) I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

     What about John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, eventhe Son of man which is in heaven. “KJV”

      As the Lord Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus, He said that He was in heaven. How could this be? Here is a statement of the fact that, as God, the Lord was in all places at one and the same time. This is what we mean when we say that He is omnipresent. 

By Him saying, "I am" He was clearly indicating His Diety. This is seen in "John 8:58-59. He received worship, he forgave sin and much more.

Yet on the other hand, He suffered hunger and thirst "Matt 4:1-7:27:28.

      "Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:  7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

All I can say is Thank you Lord Jesus.

 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, LaMonte said:

When it comes to the mystery of Godliness I myself cannot totally comprehend it.

     1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. “KJV”

     1 Timothy 3:16 is one of the clearest teachings on the incarnation of Christ and His Deity. The newer Translations remove “qeos” (Theos-God) which is a noun and changed it to “῝Ος” (Hos-He), which is a pronoun. This is a attack upon the Lord Jesus Christ by removing the fact that He was and is God, and specifically as God being the Savior. (Isa 43:11 KJV) I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

 

     What about John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, eventhe Son of man which is in heaven. “KJV”

      As the Lord Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus, He said that He was in heaven. How could this be? Here is a statement of the fact that, as God, the Lord was in all places at one and the same time. This is what we mean when we say that He is omnipresent. 

By Him saying, "I am" He was clearly indicating His Diety. This is seen in "John 8:58-59. He received worship, he forgave sin and much more.

Yet on the other hand, He suffered hunger and thirst "Matt 4:1-7:27:28.

      "Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:  7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

All I can say is Thank you Lord Jesus.

 

 

What do you want to say?

[LaMonte]

 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. “KJV”

     1 Timothy 3:16 is one of the clearest teachings on the incarnation of Christ and His Deity. The newer Translations remove “qeos” (Theos-God) which is a noun and changed it to “῝Ος” (Hos-He), which is a pronoun. This is a attack upon the Lord Jesus Christ by removing the fact that He was and is God, and specifically as God being the Savior. (Isa 43:11 KJV) I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

This is what I am saying. Let the Scriptures do the talking.

[Your closest friendnt]

20 minutes ago, LaMonte said:

 

 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. “KJV”

     1 Timothy 3:16 is one of the clearest teachings on the incarnation of Christ and His Deity. The newer Translations remove “qeos” (Theos-God) which is a noun and changed it to “῝Ος” (Hos-He), which is a pronoun. This is a attack upon the Lord Jesus Christ by removing the fact that He was and is God, and specifically as God being the Savior. (Isa 43:11 KJV) I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

This is what I am saying. Let the Scriptures do the talking.

Thank you .

ΠΡΟΣ ΤΙΜΟΘΕΟΝ Α΄ 3:16 Greek NT: Nestle 1904
καὶ ὁμολογουμένως μέγα ἐστὶν τὸ τῆς εὐσεβείας μυστήριον· Ὃς ἐφανερώθη ἐν σαρκί, ἐδικαιώθη ἐν πνεύματι, ὤφθη ἀγγέλοις, ἐκηρύχθη ἐν ἔθνεσιν, ἐπιστεύθη ἐν κόσμῳ, ἀνελήμφθη ἐν δόξῃ.

ΠΡΟΣ ΤΙΜΟΘΕΟΝ Α΄ 3:16 Greek NT: Westcott and Hort 1881
καὶ ὁμολογουμένως μέγα ἐστὶν τὸ τῆς εὐσεβείας μυστήριον· Ὃς ἐφανερώθη ἐν σαρκί, ἐδικαιώθη ἐν πνεύματι, ὤφθη ἀγγέλοις, ἐκηρύχθη ἐν ἔθνεσιν, ἐπιστεύθη ἐν κόσμῳ, ἀνελήμφθη ἐν δόξῃ.

ΠΡΟΣ ΤΙΜΟΘΕΟΝ Α΄ 3:16 Greek NT: Westcott and Hort / [NA27 and UBS4 variants]
καὶ ὁμολογουμένως μέγα ἐστὶν τὸ τῆς εὐσεβείας μυστήριον· Ὃς ἐφανερώθη ἐν σαρκί, ἐδικαιώθη ἐν πνεύματι, ὤφθη ἀγγέλοις, ἐκηρύχθη ἐν ἔθνεσιν, ἐπιστεύθη ἐν κόσμῳ, ἀνελήμφθη ἐν δόξῃ.

ΠΡΟΣ ΤΙΜΟΘΕΟΝ Α΄ 3:16 Greek NT: RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
Καὶ ὁμολογουμένως μέγα ἐστὶν τὸ τῆς εὐσεβείας μυστήριον· θεὸς ἐφανερώθη ἐν σαρκί, ἐδικαιώθη ἐν πνεύματι, ὤφθη ἀγγέλοις, ἐκηρύχθη ἐν ἔθνεσιν, ἐπιστεύθη ἐν κόσμῳ, ἀνελήφθη ἐν δόξῃ.

ΠΡΟΣ ΤΙΜΟΘΕΟΝ Α΄ 3:16 Greek NT: Greek Orthodox Church
καὶ ὁμολογουμένως μέγα ἐστὶ τὸ τῆς εὐσεβείας μυστήριον· Θεὸς ἐφανερώθη ἐν σαρκί, ἐδικαιώθη ἐν Πνεύματι, ὤφθη ἀγγέλοις, ἐκηρύχθη ἐν ἔθνεσιν, ἐπιστεύθη ἐν κόσμῳ, ἀνελήφθη ἐν δόξῃ.

ΠΡΟΣ ΤΙΜΟΘΕΟΝ Α΄ 3:16 Greek NT: Tischendorf 8th Edition
καί ὁμολογουμένως μέγας εἰμί ὁ ὁ εὐσέβεια μυστήριον ὅς φανερόω ἐν σάρξ δικαιόω ἐν πνεῦμα ὁράω ἄγγελος κηρύσσω ἐν ἔθνος πιστεύω ἐν κόσμος ἀναλαμβάνω ἐν δόξῃ.