Speaking in Tongues and Gifts of the Spirit Still available???

[First and the Last]

Does anyone believe Speaking in Tongues and Gifts of the Spirit are still available today?

[PATrobas]

12 minutes ago, First and the Last said:

Does anyone believe Speaking in Tongues and Gifts of the Spirit are still available today?

Yes, and despite all the doctrinal gymnastics that will follow, I simply offer and apply this verse in response:

Rom 11:29  For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

[Truswell]

20 minutes ago, First and the Last said:

Does anyone believe Speaking in Tongues and Gifts of the Spirit are still available today?

Yes, God and his gifts to his own are eternal. I heard it regularly while I was well, and of course the interpretation without which, tongues on their own are of no help.    

Edited July 10, 2024 by Truswell

[Deborah_]

39 minutes ago, First and the Last said:

Does anyone believe Speaking in Tongues and Gifts of the Spirit are still available today?

Yes.

It doesn't follow that everything that is claimed to be a gift of the Spirit actually is.

[First and the Last]

1 hour ago, PATrobas said:

Yes, and despite all the doctrinal gymnastics that will follow, I simply offer and apply this verse in response:

Rom 11:29  For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Added info:

Romans 11:29, "For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance."

This verse highlights the irrevocable nature of God's divine gifts and calling. It signifies that God's purpose and plans for individuals are steadfast and unchanging, regardless of human failures or circumstances. The term "without repentance" means that God does not change His mind about the gifts He bestows or the call He places on a person's life. This underscores God's faithfulness and unwavering commitment to His promises. In the broader context of Romans 11, Paul speaks about God's enduring covenant with Israel, but this principle applies universally. This is an assurance that God's call to salvation, ministry, and the use of spiritual gifts are steadfast, encouraging believers to trust in God's enduring purpose for their lives. It also serves as a reminder of God's grace, emphasizing that despite human shortcomings, God's call remains, inviting continual growth and faithfulness in the believer's walk with Him.

[farouk]

In Acts, where tongues we manifest at the beginning of the church age in the Apostolic period, the Scriptures were not yet complete. This is often forgotten by advocates of what are sometimes called tongues.

[NConly]

Under the criteria set forth in the Bible. Yes

[First and the Last]

For those who believe the gifts ceased (or close of Canon of Scripture) with the Apostolic Age. For those who misinterpret "do all speak in tongues?", which they say the can receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost and not speak in tongues. On a more personal note (because I want to see everyone Have all that God offers), Why do some believe no longer available or why they know its available but they say not for me?

1 Corinthians 13:8, "Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away"

Highlights the enduring nature of godly love. This verse contrasts the eternal and unwavering quality of love with the temporary nature of spiritual gifts like prophecies, tongues, and knowledge. These gifts are essential for edifying the church and spreading the gospel, but they are finite and serve their intended roles within the church age.

Scripture also recognize that these gifts will continue until the end of the age when "that which is perfect is come" (1 Corinthians 13:10). This phrase is interpreted as referring to the culmination of God's plan and the return of Christ, (not the finished canon of Scripture) when believers will experience complete understanding and fulfillment in His presence. At that time, prophecies, tongues, and partial knowledge will no longer be needed as they will be surpassed by the perfect knowledge and revelation found in Christ.

1 Corinthians 13:10, "But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away."

This verse is often understood in the context of spiritual gifts and the completeness that comes with the full revelation of Jesus Christ. The "perfect" refers to the ultimate fulfillment of God's plan when Jesus returns and establishes His eternal kingdom. At that time, the partial and incomplete nature of our current understanding and spiritual experiences will be surpassed by the fullness of divine revelation and the perfection of God's presence. Spiritual gifts such as prophecy, knowledge, and tongues, which are essential for edifying the church now, will no longer be necessary when believers are in the direct presence of God. This understanding aligns with the Oneness theology that emphasizes the supremacy of Jesus Christ and His ultimate revelation as the one true God manifest in the flesh. Therefore, the completion of God's redemptive work will render the temporary means of spiritual edification obsolete, as believers will experience the fullness of God's glory and perfection directly.

In contrast, charity—selfless, sacrificial love modeled after Christ's love—is eternal and foundational to the Christian faith. It persists beyond the temporal expressions of spiritual gifts because it reflects the very nature of God Himself (1 John 4:8). Scripture emphasizes the importance of cultivating this love in all aspects of life, as it transcends the transient nature of gifts and endures throughout eternity. This perspective encourages believers to prioritize love above all else, knowing that it is the enduring mark of a life lived in communion with God and in service to others.

1 Corinthians 13:9, "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part"

Acknowledges the limitations of human understanding and spiritual revelation in relation to the vastness of God's wisdom and knowledge. This verse underscores the belief that while believers receive divine insights and messages through prophetic utterances and spiritual gifts, these revelations are partial and incomplete compared to the fullness of God's truth. This as a reminder of the need for humility and dependency on God's Spirit in interpreting and applying spiritual revelations.

The phrase "we know in part" acknowledges that human knowledge and understanding are finite and subject to our current perspectives and experiences. It emphasizes the ongoing journey of growth and learning in faith, recognizing that our understanding of spiritual truths is progressive and evolving. Similarly, "we prophesy in part" highlights that the prophetic messages received are not exhaustive or complete revelations but are delivered according to God's timing and purpose. Prophecy is a gift of the Holy Spirit intended for edification, exhortation, and comfort within the church community (1 Corinthians 14:3).

1 Corinthians 12:29-30, "Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?"

Addresses the diversity of spiritual gifts within the body of Christ, emphasizing that not every believer will have the same role or gift. The church is likened to a body, with each member having a distinct function, and all are necessary for the health and growth of the church. This diversity ensures that the church operates effectively, with apostles, prophets, teachers, miracle workers, those with gifts of healing, and others each contributing uniquely to the mission of the church.

It is important to distinguish between the different types of speaking in tongues mentioned in the New Testament. The Bible teaches that speaking in tongues serves different purposes and contexts. First, there is speaking in tongues as the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit, which is a private and personal experience for every believer baptized in the Holy Ghost. This experience is a sign of the New Birth and is distinct from the spiritual gifts described in 1 Corinthians 12.

The passage in 1 Corinthians 12 refers to the specific gift of tongues used in a public worship setting. This gift, meant for the edification of the church, typically occurs during quiet spiritual moments and requires interpretation. Not all believers will possess this particular gift, just as not all are apostles, prophets, or teachers. This public exercise of the gift of tongues, accompanied by interpretation, is different from the personal prayer language experienced by individuals when they receive the Holy Spirit.

While every believer is encouraged to seek and receive the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues as a personal experience, the specific gift of tongues used in church settings for communal edification and requiring interpretation is given according to God’s sovereign will and purpose. This distinction clarifies the different roles of speaking in tongues within the body of Christ, both for individual spiritual growth and for the edification of the church.

Edited July 10, 2024 by First and the Last
more clarity

[PATrobas]

7 minutes ago, First and the Last said:

First, there is speaking in tongues as the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit, which is a private and personal experience for every believer baptized in the Holy Ghost. This experience is a sign of the New Birth 

I agree with your excellent teaching, obvious that you have that gift, however, for your own personal study, I challenge you to find where in scripture a "baptism IN the Holy Ghost" is found. Indeed, it is not there. WITH the Holy Ghost INTO the body of Christ, yes. I have been baptized into the body of Christ, water baptized and anointed by the HS for public ministry, but have never spoken on tongues. Therefore, have I not experienced the New Birth? Examples of tongues by those born again in Acts are not proof of a doctrine where all will do so. I daresay you are born again and have spoken in tongues, but we must not let our personal experience dictate our doctrine as I suspect has happened with you in this subject. Blessings.

[warrior12]

As written in scripture, yes.  The question really though, is it really accounted for as the way it is supposed to be manifest.   In my whole witness in the church, I have seen attempts for it to be done, so, but never really has.  Only those who have those gifts can answer the poster question truthfully.  Their are counterfeit spirits that can comes in as angel of light , but are if fact deceitful.  This all believers has to be reminded of .