Theistic Evolution

[RV_Wizard]

52 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

Well, let's take a look... Darwin's theory:

This describes adaptation, which nobody denies, and a form of speciation which had to be part of the design so animals could "be fruitful and multiply."  Darwin got deeper into the concept of man's evolution in The Descent of Man.  He believe man had a much more primitive ancestor.  This is a believe he shared with Thomas Henry Huxley.  

But both Huxley’s and Darwin’s works made it clear what the concept was: humans and other primates descended from a “common progenitor,” from “some lower form,” not the former from the latter.  source

Evolution is the reality of speciation extrapolated into the lie of universal common descent.  It takes what is true and observed and creates from that a lie that has never been observed and cannot be validated.  The ultimate dishonesty of evolution proponents, other than distorting the Scriptures, is that when called out on the unscientific claim of universal common descent they fall back on simple observed adaptation and claim it as their justification.

[Sparks]

37 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

Darwin said it is.   And he gets to decide.

Well, let's take a look... Darwin's theory:

"More are born than can survive long enough to reproduce."

You think there's no evidence for this?   We see that constantly in nature.

"Each individual is slightly different than its parents."

You deny this?  Seriously?  

"Some of the differences affect the likelihood of surviving to reproduce."

Would you like me to show you how we know this?

"The good differences tend to increase and the bad ones tend to be removed.  Over time, this leads to speciation."

Do you doubt this?  It's all been observed.   I can show you how that works, if you like.

C'mon.  

You have already lost the challenge from @RV_Wizard concerning altered scripture in Genesis 1, but will you admit that you have?

[enoob57]

16 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

They are just ruminations about incidental things that have nothing to do with the actual message God is leaving us.

When you are shown 6 literal 24 hour days that God Himself set forth

Exodus 20:9 (KJV)

[9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

[10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

[11] For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

and ignore it that is a serious condition 

John 12:48 (KJV)

[48] He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

[49] For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

[50] And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

God has clearly and to the point said 6 literal 24 hour days... and you say that God has not said this... how will you give account of yourself before Him in this?

[enoob57]

16 hours ago, Marathoner said:

That passage refers to the book of Revelation.

@The Barbarian

That has absolutely no bearing on the seal at the end of book...
Revelation covers exactly all periods of time
Revelation 1:19 (KJV)

[19] Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

Thus, a book covering all periods of time past, present, and future has a seal placed upon it's finish... God's Word is sealed for all time period....

[The Barbarian]

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

God has clearly and to the point said 6 literal 24 hour days...

The text itself says otherwise.   There can be no literal mornings and evenings before a sun exists to have them.   So Christians have known that they aren't literal.

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

how will you give account of yourself before Him in this?

He won't ask you about that.    It's not how He will judge you.    He doesn't care what you think of the way He created things.    Focus on the things He told you that you must do to spend eternity with Him.

It's important.    You won't go to hell for believing in a literal six-day creation.   But if you substitute that for the things that matter to salvation, it won't go well for you.

 

[The Barbarian]

Darwin said it is.   And he gets to decide.

Well, let's take a look... Darwin's theory:

"More are born than can survive long enough to reproduce."

You think there's no evidence for this?   We see that constantly in nature.

"Each individual is slightly different than its parents."

You deny this?  Seriously?  

"Some of the differences affect the likelihood of surviving to reproduce."

Would you like me to show you how we know this?

"The good differences tend to increase and the bad ones tend to be removed.  Over time, this leads to speciation."

Do you doubt this?  It's all been observed.   I can show you how that works, if you like.

C'mon.  

2 hours ago, Sparks said:

You have already lost the challenge from @RV_Wizard concerning altered scripture in Genesis 1

He's wrong.   I didn't say he altered Genesis 1.   He merely revised the interpretation of Genesis.    Because he couldn't find a logical excuse for his revisions, he just started recycling claims already debunked.

If you look above, you'll see once again he confuses adaptation and evolution.    I've shown him the differences and similarities several times, but his conditioning just won't let him get it.    If you don't get it, I'd be pleased to explain it again.   Would you like me to do that for you?

Let's stay with Darwin's theory.    I've shown you the four elements of his theory and asked you to show that even one of them has been falsified.   You've repeatedly declined to do so.

And that's what matters.

 

Edited August 28, 2024 by The Barbarian

[enoob57]

1 minute ago, The Barbarian said:

The text itself says otherwise.   There can be no literal mornings and evenings before a sun exists to have them.   So Christians have known that they aren't literal.

While God has explained to us He is not limited by beginning/creation- as He has said I AM that I AM ... means your trying to place Him in the limitation of what He has began and that simply is error...

1 minute ago, The Barbarian said:

It's important.    You won't go to hell for believing in a literal six-day creation.   But if you substitute that for the things that matter to salvation, it won't go well for you.

No one has brought up salvation issue but you... I have warned that not giving God His Word as given has vast potential for error and how far that error goes is up for God to judge...

[The Barbarian]

Just now, enoob57 said:

While God has explained to us He is not limited by beginning/creation- as He has said I AM that I AM ... means your trying to place Him in the limitation of what He has began and that simply is error...

God is not a god of confusion, nor does He say things that are untrue.    Since by definition, there can be no morning or evening without a sun, the text itself says that it is not literal.

1 minute ago, enoob57 said:

No one has brought up salvation issue but you...

Well, let's see...

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

how will you give account of yourself before Him in this?

Did you not know that accounting will be your judgement by Him?

 

[enoob57]

3 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

God is not a god of confusion, nor does He say things that are untrue.    Since by definition, there can be no morning or evening without a sun, the text itself says that it is not literal.

Before creation of anything Who was there?

 

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All people will give an account to God... the unsaved Great White Throne, the saved Judgement seat of Christ. Our responsibility is to know God's Word and live within it's Truths... why? Well let's see God took the time to write it down for us so that we can ignore it? 

 

[Sparks]

34 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

He's wrong.   I didn't say he altered Genesis 1.   He merely revised the interpretation of Genesis.  Because he couldn't find a logical excuse for his revisions, he just started recycling claims already debunked.

Dunning - Kruger caught up to your argument, again.  You could not point out what was altered in scripture by YE Creationists, because scripture was not altered. 

Case closed.