The Chosen [tv show]

[Rick-Parker]

At least it is drawing people towards the Word. Season 5 is in the theaters now and will be available to stream soon. It will lead up to the Crucifixion I believe.

[farouk]

19 minutes ago, lrs68 said:

Have you at any time paid to watch the Chosen series if you watched any of it?   I haven't paid as much as a copper penny but watched all 5 seasons for FREE.  Yes, there's merchandise for sale like any production because it requires actors, behind the scenes camera-persons, costumes for the series, and much more but I have watched it all for FREE.

 

If it was truly about money I would be required to pay to watch.

 

Therefore, I reject the notion this is about money.

 

I believe the biggest objection to this series is that it's really winning souls and sadly Christians are screaming foul.   May God see the injustice.

Hi @lrs68 I guess with nearly everything the ability to command face time (bill-boards, etc.) might not directly involve money; although in one way or another some kind of publicity might do so. This is why with Gospel lit., even though there is no monetary advantage to is, some ppl are still suspicious that it might be about money rather than what it purports to be about: the Gospel.

(If this makes sense?)

[lrs68]

11 minutes ago, farouk said:

Hi @lrs68 I guess with nearly everything the ability to command face time (bill-boards, etc.) might not directly involve money; although in one way or another some kind of publicity might do so. This is why with Gospel lit., even though there is no monetary advantage to is, some ppl are still suspicious that it might be about money rather than what it purports to be about: the Gospel.

(If this makes sense?)

I understand completely.   One of the first lessons I remember as a child growing up in the Church was that [money is the root of all evil].

 

Money is indeed the root of all evil but those with money or use money in everything they do doesn't make it evil.   If I used 100k to buy Bibles and pass them out for free then my intentions with that money spent is not evil.

 

If souls are going to Heaven and the kingdom of God is increasing by money used for the actors, camera-persons, people behind the scenes, production of the series itself then it's not rooted in evil.

 

Sometimes we say God took what was meant for evil and used it for good.

 

But the Chosen creator, the main actors, and many giving financial support were members of the Church long long long before the idea of the Chosen series became a thought.   And in discussions like this many won't even research to see 90% of the people involved are as Christian as we are.   They just judge and say it's evil and idolatrous and all about money.   Which proves not only are they wrong but not the type of Christian I think of when I read the New Testament.

[farouk]

Just now, lrs68 said:

I understand completely.   One of the first lessons I remember as a child growing up in the Church was that [money is the root of all evil].

 

Money is indeed the root of all evil but those with money or use money in everything they do doesn't make it evil.   If I used 100k to buy Bibles and pass them out for free then my intentions with that money spent is not evil.

 

If souls are going to Heaven and the kingdom of God is increasing by money used for the actors, camera-persons, people behind the scenes, production of the series itself then it's not rooted in evil.

 

Sometimes we say God took what was meant for evil and used it for good.

 

But the Chosen creator, the main actors, and many giving financial support were members of the Church long long long before the idea of the Chosen series became a thought.   And in discussions like this many won't even research to see 90% of the people involved are as Christian as we are.   They just judge and say it's evil and idolatrous and all about money.   Which proves not only are they wrong but not the type of Christian I think of when I read the New Testament.

The Lord searches the heart (Jeremiah 17.10).

[PATrobas]

4 hours ago, lrs68 said:

I believe the biggest objection to this series is that it's really winning souls and sadly Christians are screaming foul.   May God see the injustice.

I believe you are responding to LaMonte, not me, but again, this is about warning Christians about good and bad fruit. The Chosen is bad fruit no matter how good it appears.  John 7:24  Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

And BTW, it is the 'love of money that is the root of all evil,' not money.

Edited May 19 by PATrobas
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[lrs68]

9 hours ago, PATrobas said:

I believe you are responding to LaMonte, not me, but again, this is about warning Christians about good and bad fruit. The Chosen is bad fruit no matter how good it appears.  John 7:24  Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

And BTW, it is the 'love of money that is the root of all evil,' not money.

People who the Church itself could not get close to and many of them are converting from lost sinner to born again followers of Jesus Christ and you believe that is bad fruit?

 

Doesn't the Tree only produce what it grows?

 

If we compared between how many people are now saved from the Chosen series to how many people have you personally led to Christ yourself and said whoever won more souls for God is GOOD fruit and the one who led less souls is bad fruit I believe it's no contest.

 

What makes it bad fruit if the end result adds souls to Heaven?

[farouk]

5 minutes ago, lrs68 said:

People who the Church itself could not get close to and many of them are converting from lost sinner to born again followers of Jesus Christ and you believe that is bad fruit?

 

Doesn't the Tree only produce what it grows?

 

If we compared between how many people are now saved from the Chosen series to how many people have you personally led to Christ yourself and said whoever won more souls for God is GOOD fruit and the one who led less souls is bad fruit I believe it's no contest.

 

What makes it bad fruit if the end result adds souls to Heaven?

Hi @lrs68 I've not even seen the movie.

The Lord Jesus did say in Matthew 7.16: "Ye shall know them by their fruits."

[Hinds Feet]

It's awesome if the show leads people to reading Scripture.  And at the same time, we should be spiritually discerning as well.  I remember when Mel Gibson first came out with "The Passion of the Christ" and how it too got people getting more serious about the faith.  And now, Gibson is coming out with a sequel, which he stated will take us to what happened in the three days Jesus was in the heart of the earth.  Gibson says it's going to be a wild trip.  This is when our spiritual antennas should be going up.  

In the same way when it comes to The Chosen, it inspires us, yes, but could it also lead us astray if we become too invested in the people behind the show? (From the produces to the actors)  Yes, we can be creative in the show, but we should be careful to not allow the show to effect how we read the actual Bible.  And while many of us will claim they can tell the difference between the Bible and the show, we know it is not that simple.  To prove that point, all I have to do is ask everyone here to visualize Jesus in their mind, and I'm willing to bet almost everyone will picture a guy with long hair and European facial features, pointing two fingers with His hand up toward the sky.  Perhaps many will now picture Jonathan Roumie himself.  So we should discern these things.

Edited May 20 by Hinds Feet

[farouk]

1 hour ago, Hinds Feet said:

It's awesome if the show leads people to reading Scripture.  And at the same time, we should be spiritually discerning as well.  I remember when Mel Gibson first came out with "The Passion of the Christ" and how it too got people getting more serious about the faith.  And now, Gibson is coming out with a sequel, which he stated will take us to what happened in the three days Jesus was in the heart of the earth.  Gibson says it's going to be a wild trip.  This is when our spiritual antennas should be going up.  

In the same way when it comes to The Chosen, it inspires us, yes, but could it also lead us astray if we become too invested in the people behind the show? (From the produces to the actors)  Yes, we can be creative in the show, but we should be careful to not allow the show to effect how we read the actual Bible.  And while many of us will claim they can tell the difference between the Bible and the show, we know it is not that simple.  To prove that point, all I have to do is ask everyone here to visualize Jesus in their mind, and I'm willing to bet almost everyone will picture a guy with long hair and European facial features, pointing two fingers with His hand up toward the sky.  Perhaps many will now picture Jonathan Roumie himself.  So we should discern these things.

Hi @Hinds Feet Indeed, we should look to the Lord Himself, rather than a particular image purportedly of Him, however vivid.

(Similarly believers likely feel that a Bible verse tattoo rather than a tattooed image purportedly of the Lord will be more effective - assuming the believer is even tattooed: which a lot are.)

cc @lrs68

Edited May 20 by farouk

[LaMonte]

2 hours ago, farouk said:

Indeed, we should look to the Lord Himself, rather than a particular image purportedly of Him, however vivid.

This is so true.

In John 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

The first commandment, in its prohibition of serving gods other than the one true God of Scripture. This is also true of the second commandment, which tells us not to make a “carved image” (Ex. 20:4–6). Here the law prohibits creating and worshiping visible images of God.

I personally reject all images of Christ or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above. No matter what the Christian community says about this subject, I choose what the Word of God says over what they think. The Word of God says “Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth”:

All pictures and statues of Christ are therefore a direct opposite to how He is described in the Bible. These false images give us an incorrect impression of the true Jesus Christ.  

The prophet Isaiah described Christ in this way (Isa. 53:2): “For He [Christ] shall grow up before Him [God the Father] as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: He has no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him.” It was His actions and message that were to attract attention, not any overly attractive physical features.