A fair election

[Bob31]

I do not expect to see a fair election for President in November. I think that the Democrats have registered too many illegal immigrants as voters and put them into key election districts where their votes could create a majority in the Electoral College. I don't see anyone in a position of authority over this national election. What guarantee should I note that this election will be fairly conducted for United States citizens? 

Edited September 27, 2024 by Bob31
I am not sure how many voting districts are controlled by Democratic officials.

[enoob57]

That is why their being shipped in and given so much... it's vote buying... their using our tax dollars to do it...

[Bob31]

enoob57, exactly, but who is in position of authority to stop them? I noticed in the last election that Trump and his lawyers could not even prove that there was any election fraud in most of the places where they questioned the results. Thanks for your comment, 

[Ray12614]

Certainly there will be fraud in this election cycle. There always has been and probably will always be.

Nationally, there is nobody to prevent it, and there should NOT be such a person or agency because voting is done on an State by State level, not federal level. That is what the electoral college is all about (BTW that is something the democrats want removed so populous states can dominate other states who are not as populous negating their votes).

There has been progress in some states like Georgia, Arizona, and other states to remove 'dead people' from voter registration roles. A few other states have returned to paper ballots, removing the machines that are easily hacked and the results changed. Many states now are having volunteer poll watchers, and drop box watchers who monitor activity in those places, and document those activities with video. That exposes the corruption of 'mules' who pick up ballots from democrat centers, and then put them into ballot drop boxes.

In 2020 election in Michigan, all counties were required to publish their tabulation results within 2 weeks of the election, and I remember in Wayne county the numbers appeared to be reasonable until one line entry revealed that 332 percent of registered voters voted. That percentage was later corrected and brought down to 90's -100 percent, and so the 332 percent it is not viewable now because the democrat controlled election board changed it to a lower percentage. Simply stated: The Michigan vote was stolen by democrats. There is no less tactful way to put it.

So, what are some solutions to our state level voter fraud dilemma?

As Christians, we MUST first pray for God's intervention in our nation. Then we look at the overall policies of the candidates and the future administration people that come with them (there is a vast difference that I won't go into here). Then we must register and vote for those policies that best represent our biblical world views (over half of evangelical Christians are not registered or don't vote. That is just plain being unfaithful with that privilege that we have in America). The more Christians show up and vote the harder it will be for voting fraud to be covered up.

So, yes, we certainly can see that there is voting fraud, say that it is wrong, BUT to just give up and play the defeated card is foreign to our Christian heritage of resisting evil, standing up for what is right, and becoming spineless wimps. There is no way anybody can tell me that attitude is in character with being Christ-like.

I also find it interesting that some of the secular world and even Muslims are waking up and voting against Marxist candidates when Christians who should know better are staying home refusing to get involved and vote.

There are many on this forum who have quickly given up and believe that judgement must come to America at this time citing various prophesies in OT and Revelations, but, I do not agree with them concerning their rush to apply the timing of judgement NOW. Will judgement come to America? Certainly it will.  Is it close? Undoubtedly it is. I just don't believe that this is the time for Americas national judgement. We are experiencing national discipline for sure, but . . . . "IF my people will humble themselves and Pray . . . . " then some healing of their land can take place . . . . . 

Ray . . . 

 

[Bob31]

Ray, thanks for your thoughtful reply to my concern. Since our elections are handled in each state with state elected officials and appointed clerks in charge, I do not see how any critic of election results, particularly in Democratic states, can get appropriate legal officials to be objective in regard to accepting any evidence of fraudulent votes anywhere. I don't think that there is a law in place to prevent non-citizens from being registered to vote and voting in national elections in every state. I believe that God knows how the details of our political system work and where it is manipulated to favor specific "popular" candidates, and He has refrained from exercising His personal will in our elections. I agree with you that we Christians should all vote and continue to pray for our country and our elected authoritative civil agents. The integrity of our voting system is dependent upon the integrity of those who register individuals to vote and then count and report the votes, but there doesn't seem to be anyone in any position of authority to finally confirm the integrity of these voting clerks. and their supervisors. This is what concerns me in this next national election. Bob

[Ray12614]

41 minutes ago, Bob31 said:

Ray, thanks for your thoughtful reply to my concern. Since our elections are handled in each state with state elected officials and appointed clerks in charge, I do not see how any critic of election results, particularly in Democratic states, can get appropriate legal officials to be objective in regard to accepting any evidence of fraudulent votes anywhere. I don't think that there is a law in place to prevent non-citizens from being registered to vote and voting in national elections in every state. I believe that God knows how the details of our political system work and where it is manipulated to favor specific "popular" candidates, and He has refrained from exercising His personal will in our elections. I agree with you that we Christians should all vote and continue to pray for our country and our elected authoritative civil agents. The integrity of our voting system is dependent upon the integrity of those who register individuals to vote and then count and report the votes, but there doesn't seem to be anyone in any position of authority to finally confirm the integrity of these voting clerks. and their supervisors. This is what concerns me in this next national election. Bob

Yep. I too share your concerns. As long as we all vote, we have done our part and pray for bi-partisan election observers for transparency. As much as is possible.

I long for the Millennial reign of Jesus . . . . where all this nonsense will be finally solved once and for all.

Grace and Peace . . . .

Ray . . . 

 

[In the Clouds]

Not all precincts are subject to voter fraud.  A local precinct chairman was interviewed on one of the tv news stations.  She said that their precinct is very strictly run.  But, she has had threats against herself and her workers.  She personally walks each employee out to their vehicles at end of day.  And, she has reported all incidences to local authorities.

[AnOrangeCat]

2 hours ago, Ray12614 said:

Certainly there will be fraud in this election cycle. There always has been and probably will always be.

100% agreed.

2 hours ago, Ray12614 said:

There are many on this forum who have quickly given up and believe that judgement must come to America at this time citing various prophesies in OT and Revelations, but, I do not agree with them concerning their rush to apply the timing of judgement NOW. Will judgement come to America? Certainly it will.  Is it close? Undoubtedly it is. I just don't believe that this is the time for Americas national judgement. We are experiencing national discipline for sure, but . . . . "IF my people will humble themselves and Pray . . . . " then some healing of their land can take place . . . . . 

I agree with this, too. Amongst the secular world a lot of people point to the OT as being full of God's wrath and judgment. It's certainly there. But going through I & II Kings and Chronicles I personally saw a lot of God offering mercy if people would only repent. He made offers to various kings of Israel if they would keep His commands. It was amazing how far Israel had fallen during the reign of some of those kings, going so far as to have male prostitutes in the temple. Despite this going on for so long He never turned His back on them and gave up.

[Ray12614]

21 hours ago, AnOrangeCat said:

100% agreed.

I agree with this, too. Amongst the secular world a lot of people point to the OT as being full of God's wrath and judgment. It's certainly there. But going through I & II Kings and Chronicles I personally saw a lot of God offering mercy if people would only repent. He made offers to various kings of Israel if they would keep His commands. It was amazing how far Israel had fallen during the reign of some of those kings, going so far as to have male prostitutes in the temple. Despite this going on for so long He never turned His back on them and gave up.

Exactly . . . how much time is left ? ? ? Only God knows  . . . . 

[Bob31]

Ray, I appreciate your perspective on this issue. I believe that God is ultimately in control of what happens among us human beings. He is apparently willing to let some foolish influential individuals to put other selfish fools into positions of power in various systems of civil order throughout the world, but His willingness to tolerate this foolishness will come to an end when Lord Jesus returns to set up the Kingdom of God on this earth. Some redeemed human souls will be given the blessing to share in Jesus' authority over the residents of this Kingdom, but the civil order will not be democracy or that of a selfish fool. Until then, we may have to suffer under the authority of fools or struggle in civil processes to hamper their foolish efforts to hamper our efforts to establish a fair system of elections for all of the people of these States and particularly for its citizens recognizing that there is no single human authority in place to secure the integrity of this process in our coming election. Thanks to the other members for their positive comments on this issue. May God continue to bless America in our next election. Bob