A fair election

[tatwo]

On 10/3/2024 at 8:58 AM, Ray12614 said:

But enough about me . . . how about you?  You are saying that I am unprepared to meet the future, and current events (which you can't possible know if I am or not). So what are you doing to prepare?

If I were to correctly discern your hope based upon “your posts here”…which is all I have and all I have used to form my assessments in context…as the source of my discernment for this subject only…and if you are being genuine…then yes to some degree I can see where you are at in regards to the future.

Your posts have you placing necessity belief or faith leading to physical actions in a satanic structure that has already co-opted what you hope for Ray…and…you are encouraging others in this as well.

I don’t know how to present it more clearly…and…I am fine with you choosing these things in your life as a result of your political convictions…have at it. I "might"...take exception when one offers their "personal desire and admonition" as the will of God...if it is not. 

It really is not hard to see what your preps are…when you believe that a “fraudulent scam” which has deceived millions if not billions of people…out of their lives, property, money, liberties and freedoms ultimately to enslave them…as an event you are in some way obligated to partake of…while maintaining that others do it as well…your position "Ray" may be more obvious than you realize…if you are to be taken at your word.

Tatwo...)

[tatwo]

On 10/3/2024 at 8:58 AM, Ray12614 said:

I am curious about your preparation, or what your local church is doing to prepare for what you are concerned about. Your stand on government is much like jehovah witnesses doctrine . . .

Again thanks for asking...no I am not nor have I ever been affiliated with JW's.

My response will require multiple parts...

It is interesting that you would be curious about my preparations when I have laid it out for you here in this forum. I was not clear enough…sorry…that’s fine I understand…I am honored that you have asked Ray…I believe that you are genuine…I will attempt to answer you.

Concerning the local church…these local churches in my area are doing what churches typically do…playing out their divisive denominational roll and acting as stoolie to the state to protect their “tax-exempt status.”

So…in my experience the local churches are doing nothing to prepare for that which is already here and is continually emerging at this time. They are hoping for MAGA generally.

The thoughts of a “pre-trib rapture” have them “waiting and watching” for the secret return of the Lord Yahshua to take them away from all the badness and of course so that God the Father does not pour His wrath out upon them…while other churches quietly operate in their own little realm.

Many churches interestingly enough…are wrapped up in the spectacle that is the “Zionist Christianity” farce…feeling led to pledge some element of loyalty to a state that is savagely killing their brothers in the name of the Lord.

Did I mention that I do not attend any church today…nor have I since I voluntarily stepped away from a successful Southern Baptist Church of 500 people as Pastor…20 years ago? Yeh…so I have no loyalty to any church, denomination, or the governments of the nations in which they reside.

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

I am a citizen of the “eternal nation” known as the Kingdom of God here on earth today…I am a son of God exactly as His Spirit has testified to my spirit by which I live. My loyalty is to my Lord and King Yahshua whose Kingdom is “not of this world” Ray…whose Kingdom is “not of this realm”…it is not a physical temporal realm…exactly as He told Pilate.

This explains why I don’t partake in the folly of a beast lead nightmare…yes I live here on the earth and in the U.S. for which I am thankful…however…I…am not of this world or this realm…either. My economy is and has been supplied by my Father for nearly 40 years…which is what a loving Father promised to do.

This Kingdom though…is both on earth and in heaven simultaneously…as are the number of us who are yet alive on the earth today. It’s the eternal reality via the Spirit…where there is no democracy…the Ruler of this eternal Kingdom can’t be voted out and He was not voted in…He sacrificed His life and gave His blood in an offering…that was accepted by His Father…who then exulted Him back to the seat of eternal authority and power from which He came.

I, as a son of God who was born into His spiritual Body…that is existent…in a spiritual realm which is existent both inside and outside of creation…I am merely a visitor in creation with a message. I am among those who God considers “His workmanship…created in Christ Jesus for good works…which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.”

For years I have known what these “good works” are for me…and I am growing and maturing in them. I believe that they were prepared for me by God the Father before creation existed…and I have found that pathway and am on that journey…this is part of my preparation. My Father is my identity, my provision and my protection.

The reason for this is because I was predestined to become “conformed to the image of Christ” our Lord…a mature man being raised up into the full stature of Christ Himself…specifically according to the unique and divinely intentioned call with which my Father called me…my part of His Body…through which I am justified and glorified.

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

To be more specific about my preps…I am called to nurture the family of God in relationship to the “good works that they are to walk in” to the building up of the Body of Christ…into a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.

The Lord Yahshua is showing me that He is raising up the sons of God to bring forth the image and likeness of Christ Himself in the earth…who will appear at the specified time…in His people. Contrary to the false hope of pre-trib rapture…Yahshua has called us to come together under His Lordship and headship to reconcile man to God and destroy the works of the devil.

This means “we” will restore His peace to His creation…both from the heavens and on the earth…this we will do and for those who are yet alive in body in that day…they will do it from the earth. We have however been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God…our minds our set on things above…not on the things that are on the earth and the reason for this is we have died and our life is hidden with Christ in God.

This is what the mature Body will do…we are being trained in how to live from the power of the eternal life that is now within us. This is a life [eternal] that cannot be extinguished…nor can it be threatened…who is it that can issue effective threats to Christ?

The challenge that is juxtaposed to the growth and maturity of Christ…is the opposition known as…the serpent, the devil, the dragon called Satan.

The sons of God are being prepared and trained in righteousness, holiness and love…when perfected  they will emerge as the fullness of the “Spiritual Man Christ…Glorious Head and resplendent Body.” This will take place among the backdrop of a “world built, installed and ruled” by the dragon.

This is the world we participate in day to day…it has been fashioned by Satan who empowers his seven headed ten horned beast…brings forth the lawless one…and who dominates the religious & church world through an old Babylonian whore…this is and will be the fullness of that which is opposed to Christ in the earth. The seed of the serpent versus the seed of the woman…remember?

The economy of God is abundant…flush with all that His sons could ever need for life on earth in the physical temporal reality and for life in heaven in the spiritual eternal reality. Those who are not citizens of the economy of God…are left to concern themselves with the economy offered by man or perhaps more correctly stated…the beast.

The bottom line on my preparation Ray…”I do the will of my Father and accomplish His works.” I have worked as an evangelist for 20 years…reconciling men to God. Since then I have been learning how to destroy the works of the devil…and working at it with some increasing levels of success....as I am here.

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

Those of us with “eternal life” and know it…who are learning how to live from the power and authority of that reality or realm…are preparing to bring God’s glory to this creation in the form of a “Man”…a “Son” that God Himself raises up out of this earth…known as “Christ.”

As prophesied…this age then is “our” preparation…for “our” roles and rule in the next age as the “rod of iron.” This is in brief why it is of no concern who rules the earth and any given nation today…for the sons of God…those in Christ Yahshua.

The Holy Spirit lead “Sons of God on earth” have no spare desire to waste…especially in the affairs of the “beast, lawless one,  prostitute and related systems” as the churches and its Christian constituency seems to have? While they are patiently “waiting and watching for Lord Yahshua’s return”…utterly clueless [blinded by unbelief] in regards to what is enclosing upon them on all sides…which I am presently warning anyone who is reading this…about.

Ray…the Lord has come to His people…He is alive in power and authority in us…and He is raising us up to “His standard of righteousness and holiness” thus the tribulation working us to perfection. We are to become the dispensers of the Love of God the Father who desires to reveal Himself to His creation in His Son…yet today.

I call today’s gospel…the “Urgent Gospel”…while the reality of evangelism is yet marginally available to the earth…the movement from the immature and carnal children of God to the “Mature Man” is now here. For those who do not see this…and mature in their divine call…the days ahead are going to be perilous.

The hope to overcome is found in the living temple of God…which is His people…on the earth abiding in His presence as His Body…which has nothing to do with temporal earthly realities which are steeped in deception…which include the modern church in any and all flavors anywhere today.

Tatwo...:)

Edited October 5, 2024 by tatwo

[tatwo]

Here is the Word of the Lord to the Body of Christ…the temple of God on the earth…

“Do not be bound together with unbelievers; [worldly and religious] for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, "I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. "Therefore, COME OUT FROM THEIR MIDST AND BE SEPARATE," says the Lord. "AND DO NOT TOUCH WHAT IS UNCLEAN; And I will welcome you. "And I will be a father to you, And you shall be sons and daughters to Me," Says the Lord Almighty.”  (2Corinthians 6:14-18 NASB)

Here is a direct prophetic command to the sons of God…that have not yet consecrated themselves to Christ…but remain in the fold of the false church which is lead by the Babylonian princess. She has given as the prostitute that she is…the glory of God that she once had…to become powerfully deceptive to be able to “sleep with the kings of the earth”…while presenting herself as the bride of Christ to them…she is lying to the kings about being God…as is her husband.

“I heard another voice from heaven, saying, "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not participate in her sins and receive of her plagues; for her sins have piled up as high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.”  (Revelation 18:4-5 NASB)

Simply a retake of the warning to Thyatira…the “woman” who fled into the wilderness in Revelation 12 and was attacked by the dragon there in the wilderness…who then emerges again in the “wilderness” as the great harlot who sits on many waters in Revelation 17 who is now riding the dragons beast.

Come out of her…is the Word of God applicable for today...receive this if you are able...let me know if I may be able to assist anyone in any way.

Tatwo...:)

Edited October 5, 2024 by tatwo

[Sower]

9 hours ago, tatwo said:

Did I mention that I do not attend any church today…nor have I since I voluntarily stepped away from a successful Southern Baptist Church of 500 people as Pastor…20 years ago? Yeh…so I have no loyalty to any church, denomination, or the governments of the nations in which they reside.

Tatwo...:)

Why did you leave your flock the Lord entrusted/called you to? Were you not the Shepherd/pastor?

Thanks tatwo..

[Ray12614]

21 hours ago, tatwo said:

Those of us with “eternal life” and know it…who are learning how to live from the power and authority of that reality or realm…are preparing to bring God’s glory to this creation in the form of a “Man”…a “Son” that God Himself raises up out of this earth…known as “Christ.”

As prophesied…this age then is “our” preparation…for “our” roles and rule in the next age as the “rod of iron.” This is in brief why it is of no concern who rules the earth and any given nation today…for the sons of God…those in Christ Yahshua.

The Holy Spirit lead “Sons of God on earth” have no spare desire to waste…especially in the affairs of the “beast, lawless one,  prostitute and related systems” as the churches and its Christian constituency seems to have? While they are patiently “waiting and watching for Lord Yahshua’s return”…utterly clueless [blinded by unbelief] in regards to what is enclosing upon them on all sides…which I am presently warning anyone who is reading this…about.

Ray…the Lord has come to His people…He is alive in power and authority in us…and He is raising us up to “His standard of righteousness and holiness” thus the tribulation working us to perfection. We are to become the dispensers of the Love of God the Father who desires to reveal Himself to His creation in His Son…yet today.

I call today’s gospel…the “Urgent Gospel”…while the reality of evangelism is yet marginally available to the earth…the movement from the immature and carnal children of God to the “Mature Man” is now here. For those who do not see this…and mature in their divine call…the days ahead are going to be perilous.

The hope to overcome is found in the living temple of God…which is His people…on the earth abiding in His presence as His Body…which has nothing to do with temporal earthly realities which are steeped in deception…which include the modern church in any and all flavors anywhere today.

Tatwo...:)

Interesting narrative, but, putting end time events aside, it gives NO preparation for daily living in our fallen world.

We are called to reach out to those who are hurting both spiritually and physically, reaching the lost and dying with the gospel of Jesus. Yes, we are to be 'separate' from the world system of sin, but, not separate from the very people we are to help. Telling people about the beast system will not heal their marriages, or help them resist and win over pornography, drunkenness, and lawlessness in every kind of flavor that you can think of. I have lost track (not like I am keeping track) of the number of men, women, kids that I have counseled with and helped both spiritually and physically. Last week my church sent a team of people down to Guatemala to teach a fledgling church and to give them clean drinking water, and an new roof over their school/church. We formed new loving supportive relationships with the pastor and people of that desperate church, teaching and helping any way we could.

NO, I am not flaunting works in your face, I am simply saying that this project has eternal implications for people, and IF we were separate from the 'religious system' as you put it, and separated from each other by our forsaking church attendance,  it never would have been done, and people's lives never would have been impacted with the love of Jesus.

Voting is a civic duty that has consequences for people in the country which I live. I will not throw it away when it is relatively simple to do it. Voting is an issue of stewardship and being faithful with what we have been given. Win, lose of draw, I refuse to be unfaithful in that area of life and will encourage all I come in contact with to vote their biblical world view.

So . . . . I highly disagree with your 'flavor' of being separated from an functioning member of the Body of Christ. In fact, you are in direct contradiction to NT scripture instructing us to assemble together more as we see the day of Christ drawing near. Not really sure how you juggle your end times philosophy to get around that, but, clearly you have.

Speaking of which . . . it is Sunday morning and time for me to assemble together with my local congregation of like minded brothers and sisters who love Jesus and each other enough to be about His business . . . . 

Thanks for your reply, it has been interesting although I highly disagree with your conclusions of most of it.

Ray . . . 

[tatwo]

16 hours ago, Sower said:

Why did you leave your flock the Lord entrusted/called you to? Were you not the Shepherd/pastor?

Thanks tatwo..

It’s a fair question…you are welcome and thank you for the opportunity Sower.

The way the scenario played out…our resignation had to do with what I believe is the fundamental fault in the “religious institutional structure” which completely negated any chance I had at “shepherding that flock.” I was called there for a time…to learn exactly what I learned…to come to experience just how displeasing the religious institutional church structure is to the Lord Yahshua Christ.

After a number of years of solid commitment to building and establishing a true “Christian Church” I was still dealing with challenges like…those who had a greater economic resource…the more affluent…were buying campers, boats, and other things…adding on to their homes…taking vacations etc…while I had a number of families that were severely under resourced…the poor…some were losing their homes, couldn’t pay rent, and many of them were just in need of true brotherly love support and  day to day assistance.

For a 5 years I tried to convince the “haves” to learn how to support the “have-nots”…this at significant cost to my role, effort and leadership…however there was never a real commitment to this very important truth...by that house.

For example we had a very successful “Small Group Ministry” which was one way I was endeavoring to bring the house together as a family. Every summer the “haves” would go on vacations and typically leave the “have-nots” home in their struggle. Often times the “haves” were small group leaders so when they would take off on vacations…those small groups were simply stopped for a time leaving their constituency without that additional “weekly connection and leadership” that was becoming beneficial for all of us.

I am not against people having nice things and money…nor am I against vacations…as I said earlier…melding the two into “one” just could not happen. Yet we all know our lords attitude towards the poor and the sick…the rich and healthy never embraced the Lord’s only command…really…”love one another as I have loved you.”

There is so much more that has to do with the management of the church resources and the leadership team than I could ever go into here…suffice it to say that I was not able to see the “Apostles Doctrine” function in the religious institution. That was my training there at that church…that’s what I experienced.

The religious institution is not an acceptable model for building and establishing the Kingdom of God on earth. God will not empower it ever…the model itself is not actually found in the New Testament Scriptures but is more representative of a cross between an Old Testament Levitical Priesthood type…complete with “temple” [building] and “sacrifice” [tithes and offerings]…in combination with some version or element of Catholicism.

There were a number of people in this church that could have significantly helped those in need in the church [much more than finance] however it never really caught on. As a pastor I was fielding the weakness and breakdowns on both sides of this model…dysfunctional is the word I use to define it.

I taught this church over the course of 8 months…with an anointing from the Holy Spirit…how the Kingdom of God…the house of God…the Body of Christ was established according to the Lord Yahshua’s own desire and the lives of those early first century apostles.

Early on…I explained that unless we were going to attempt to erase the chasms, divisions, separations that had racial and gender implications, along with the economic divide I mentioned earlier…I could no longer serve as pastor in this church.

Given that this is what I expected would happen…and that the elders were not really in support of me in this either…they had ample opportunity to find my replacement.

It is my opinion that…yes, there were some of the Lords sheep in that house…some left with us of course…most however…were merely religious church goers satiating their religious fix as was most acceptable to them. It was not the Kingdom of God…there was no Holy Spirit power and authority…for the most part…save a few…it was not the flock of the Lord Yahshua Christ…and…they did not want that and made it known…it was “their church.”

There is much more that could be said…however I believe I have answered your question satisfactorily. I suppose I am open to discussion about why the “religious institutional structure” is dysfunctional…and or…about what I have been doing for the last 20+ years. However I am not really open to interrogation of my decision to leave that church 20 years ago…today.

Tatwo...:)

[Rick-Parker]

The above is the reason why my wife and I don't attend any church. They are more concerned with themselves then they are about advancing the Kingdom of GOD through Jesus Christ and what He did on the Cross.