A fair election

[Ray12614]

On 9/29/2024 at 11:01 AM, Bob31 said:

Ray, I appreciate your perspective on this issue. I believe that God is ultimately in control of what happens among us human beings. He is apparently willing to let some foolish influential individuals to put other selfish fools into positions of power in various systems of civil order throughout the world, but His willingness to tolerate this foolishness will come to an end when Lord Jesus returns to set up the Kingdom of God on this earth. Some redeemed human souls will be given the blessing to share in Jesus' authority over the residents of this Kingdom, but the civil order will not be democracy or that of a selfish fool. Until then, we may have to suffer under the authority of fools or struggle in civil processes to hamper their foolish efforts to hamper our efforts to establish a fair system of elections for all of the people of these States and particularly for its citizens recognizing that there is no single human authority in place to secure the integrity of this process in our coming election. Thanks to the other members for their positive comments on this issue. May God continue to bless America in our next election. Bob 

 

 

Hello: So, are you frustrated regarding voting fraud and wondering how we can help minimize the effect of that fraud? One way is to ask people to vote.

So here is something that we can act on to encourage Christians to vote without ever knocking on their doors: https://www.myfaithvotes.org/

This is a website that gives addresses of registered voters who have not voted in the last election cycle, and gives an letter that can be printed and customized by us to make it personalized encouraging people to vote their Christian and conservative values.

It costs nothing but the printer ink to print them, and of couse postage and envelopes to mail them. For return address, you just put your first name and initial of your last name without any address information, so this is completely anonymous so nobody will come knocking on your door. My wife did about 40 letters for MI and we prayed over them before I mailed them today.

You just choose how many letters you want to mail, and that list will be provided by the website for the state you reside in.

And yes . . . I checked with George before I referenced the website.

[tatwo]

On 9/26/2024 at 7:28 PM, Bob31 said:

I do not expect to see a fair election for President in November. I think that the Democrats have registered too many illegal immigrants as voters and put them into key election districts where their votes could create a majority in the Electoral College. I don't see anyone in a position of authority over this national election. What guarantee should I note that this election will be fairly conducted for United States citizens? 

Greetings Bob31…

I understand your discomfort or disappointment in regards to this next national election…and I do not see any problems with your perspective here…except the perspective as you have detailed it. The use of words such as “Not a fair election…too many illegal immigrants…no one in a position of authority over the election…no guarantee of a fair election” elicits a vision of pure manipulation in an attempt to control the outcome…and the nation…which is precisely what will happen.

How any Spirit lead “Christian” could ever attach anything related to the Lord Yahshua and His Kingdom…to the power of this satanic influence and evil we are witnessing…being exerted over the outcome of a national election that effects the entire US population…and the world…is equally discomforting and disappointing.

This is not the work of the King of kings and the Lord of lords…this should be obvious…how does the church miss that?

Furthermore…to answer your “rhetorical” question…there is no guarantee that this election will be fairly conducted…the outcome is controlled by the dragon…these are his noted attributes and characteristics…clearly.

Tatwo...:)

[Ray12614]

1 hour ago, tatwo said:

Greetings Bob31…

I understand your discomfort or disappointment in regards to this next national election…and I do not see any problems with your perspective here…except the perspective as you have detailed it. The use of words such as “Not a fair election…too many illegal immigrants…no one in a position of authority over the election…no guarantee of a fair election” elicits a vision of pure manipulation in an attempt to control the outcome…and the nation…which is precisely what will happen.

How any Spirit lead “Christian” could ever attach anything related to the Lord Yahshua and His Kingdom…to the power of this satanic influence and evil we are witnessing…being exerted over the outcome of a national election that effects the entire US population…and the world…is equally discomforting and disappointing.

This is not the work of the King of kings and the Lord of lords…this should be obvious…how does the church miss that?

Furthermore…to answer your “rhetorical” question…there is no guarantee that this election will be fairly conducted…the outcome is controlled by the dragon…these are his noted attributes and characteristics…clearly.

Tatwo...:)

Does the above mean you are not voting in November ? ? ?

[tatwo]

On 9/27/2024 at 9:29 AM, Ray12614 said:

Certainly there will be fraud in this election cycle. There always has been and probably will always be.

Nationally, there is nobody to prevent it, and there should NOT be such a person or agency because voting is done on an State by State level, not federal level. That is what the electoral college is all about (BTW that is something the democrats want removed so populous states can dominate other states who are not as populous negating their votes).

There has been progress in some states like Georgia, Arizona, and other states to remove 'dead people' from voter registration roles. A few other states have returned to paper ballots, removing the machines that are easily hacked and the results changed. Many states now are having volunteer poll watchers, and drop box watchers who monitor activity in those places, and document those activities with video. That exposes the corruption of 'mules' who pick up ballots from democrat centers, and then put them into ballot drop boxes.

In 2020 election in Michigan, all counties were required to publish their tabulation results within 2 weeks of the election, and I remember in Wayne county the numbers appeared to be reasonable until one line entry revealed that 332 percent of registered voters voted. That percentage was later corrected and brought down to 90's -100 percent, and so the 332 percent it is not viewable now because the democrat controlled election board changed it to a lower percentage. Simply stated: The Michigan vote was stolen by democrats. There is no less tactful way to put it.

So, what are some solutions to our state level voter fraud dilemma?

You’re above description as you know…is a picture of fraud and organized crime at both the state and federal levels. The depths of evil involved in this vast lawlessness are based in the love of money which is the root of all evil. Someone or something…both…are obviously exerting immense authority and power over the total control of the political structure that appears to be governing this nation…and the world.

These are not the characteristics of the Kingdom of God…our Lord is not causing these things to happen in this way…as His form of rule. The dragon and his beast are running this government…this is his signature and these are his methods of operation.

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

On 9/27/2024 at 9:29 AM, Ray12614 said:

As Christians, we MUST first pray for God's intervention in our nation. Then we look at the overall policies of the candidates and the future administration people that come with them (there is a vast difference that I won't go into here). Then we must register and vote for those policies that best represent our biblical world views (over half of evangelical Christians are not registered or don't vote. That is just plain being unfaithful with that privilege that we have in America).

Consider the Lord Yahshua’s response…when Pilate asked Him if he was the King of the Jews?

“Are you saying this on your own initiative, or did others tell you about Me?"  Pilate answered, "I am not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priests delivered You to me; what have You done?"  Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.”

“My kingdom is not of this world”...so at an elementary level of understanding…He is saying…what you see here Governor Pilate…is how the “world” operates under its sitting king…which is not Me.

He further clarifies this by pointing out that His “servants”…thereby openly affirming His role as King…are not acting like these rebellious Jews who are calling for His life…nor your Roman soldiers who are restraining them.

His people are not in like manner involved in how the governments of Israel and Rome are handling the situation surrounding the false accusations levied against Him…and…the very real possibility of His scourging and crucifixion.

Israel and Rome (the world as referenced by Christ) at this time…are under the control and oppression of the dragon…so those nations (world) their leaders and their peoples are also acting like the dragon.

The Lord Yahshua’s “servants”…by the Lord’s own words…are following what He taught them…that this very thing happening before them…is happening exactly as He told them it would. He prepared them so they were in a “worshipful” posture of obedience to His Lordship…thereby indeed exhibiting His rule as King over a Kingdom not of this “world” and their submission to Him as such.

His servants did not get involved with either the Jews or Romans in any governmental way to stop His murder…they had a perspective from another “realm” as the Lord put it…by which they lived. The same is expected of His Body today.

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

On 9/27/2024 at 9:29 AM, Ray12614 said:

The more Christians show up and vote the harder it will be for voting fraud to be covered up.

It would seem that you are decrying a system based in “fraud”…which is defined as…”trickery or cheating to gain advantage”…as you stated in the first sentence of your post…“Certainly there will be fraud in this election cycle. There always has been and probably will always be.” Followed by suggesting that “Christians show up and vote” thus partaking in the “fraud” as well?

Isn’t that related to the type of thing listed by Paul in 2^nd Timothy 3:1-5 and in Ephesians 4:14 that “Christians” should not be involved in?

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

On 9/27/2024 at 9:29 AM, Ray12614 said:

So, yes, we certainly can see that there is voting fraud, say that it is wrong, BUT to just give up and play the defeated card is foreign to our Christian heritage of resisting evil, standing up for what is right, and becoming spineless wimps. There is no way anybody can tell me that attitude is in character with being Christ-like.

Our King and Kingdom is not of this world as He stated…so to not participate in the governments of “this world” as ruled by Satan and his beast is not considered by the sons of God…as “playing the defeated card or becoming spineless wimps” as you suggest…obviously that is how you see it.

As you carry on with your personal desire and subsequent opinion in the matter of elections…you will see that whoever it is that is “fraudulently voted in” to sit at the resolute desk…this country is being systematically destroyed as prophesied nearly 3 millennia ago.

It is precisely these evil characters who are the purveyor’s and contestants in this “fraudulent election process” that are guilty of lying, cheating, slandering, stealing, killing and perverting all that they touch. The sons of God and the Body of Christ are strongly admonished “not” to take part in these types of “worldly” behaviors.

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

On 9/27/2024 at 9:29 AM, Ray12614 said:

There are many on this forum who have quickly given up and believe that judgement must come to America at this time citing various prophesies in OT and Revelations, but, I do not agree with them concerning their rush to apply the timing of judgement NOW. Will judgement come to America? Certainly it will.  Is it close? Undoubtedly it is. I just don't believe that this is the time for Americas national judgement. We are experiencing national discipline for sure, but . . . . "IF my people will humble themselves and Pray . . . . " then some healing of their land can take place . . . . . 

Ray…prophetically speaking…based upon the will of God in heaven which is set and clearly slated to come to earth…judgment has already been issued.

Americans are sicker than they ever have been and are already experiencing food insecurity of a greater magnitude than ever…and that is growing via the attack upon farming and gardening. Personal, household, business and national debt has already reached the point that it cannot be repaid…which was always the goal of the FED….you are witnessing the economic enslavement of humanity friend.

The Federal Reserve Bank which is the central bank of the U.S. has a greater influence and control in all the affairs of the nation than the U.S. Government…thus rendering the outcome of this election of no consequence. It can be correctly stated today…that whoever it is that resides in the oval office…works for the FED.

Inflation has caused essential items for everyday consumption to raise in cost an estimated 20% in 4 years while real wage increases have risen an estimated 4%. Please consider that not only a national economic crises but a global economic crisis is now upon this earth.

The virtually unrestricted immigration via the open borders of the US has allowed organized militants into the country that are now rivaling local city gangs…and in some cases overwhelming small cities and communities. This is to the degree that Texas has initiated a new branch of “Public Safety” from the combined efforts of “state border patrol” and the “Texas Rangers” to combat the violent cartels as they come into Texas…war in the US friend.

Escalating global conflict in which the US taxpayer is forced to spend “Billions upon Billions of dollars and send thousands of military men and women” to…is here to stay friend.

This is just a small sample of the judgment that unrepentant sin has brought upon this nation and the nations of the world. Part of this judgment is due to the actions of the people you are so predisposed to support. These presidential candidates are evil and perverse and proven so openly…tell me how these types of evil people are going to produce the Kingdom of God in this nation…and…why would our God…the Father of creation ever use them to establish His Kingdom on this earth?

The Lord Yahshua prior to His scourge said to Pilate… "My Kingdom is not of this world…My Kingdom is not of this realm…My people do not live like the people of this world.”

Christians of the United States of America will do nothing to further the Kingdom of God as they are uniquely called to do…by the Lord…via any vote or election ever…that’s the kingdom of the world way of dealing with matters of national worldly interest.

In the house of God…the temple of God on the earth today…the sons of God in the Body of Christ are living and loving one another and their Lord while He raises them up to a mature spiritual man…to the full stature that belongs to Christ Yahshua…so that they can then begin the process of revealing the love of their Father to the world while destroying the works of the devil. This will then fulfill the Fathers desire for a man in the image and likeness of Christ upon the earth.

Tatwo...:)

[Rick-Parker]

Remember, we are not electing a pastor, we are electing a leader. Flaws and all. We have a responsibility to vote. One cannot opt out just because one is Christian. If we opt out, how can we expect to effect any change at all?

[Ray12614]

49 minutes ago, Rick-Parker said:

Remember, we are not electing a pastor, we are electing a leader. Flaws and all. We have a responsibility to vote. One cannot opt out just because one is Christian. If we opt out, how can we expect to effect any change at all?

Exactly!!!  We CAN vote our biblical world views based upon policies!

The people who sit out elections are not 'doing business' and occupying until our Master returns. Frankly it is an disconnect from the world that makes it so we are not having an impact on governments.