The master of hades and hell

[missmuffet]

Who do you think is the master of hades and hell?

[NConly]

Matt 28

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

[enoob57]

Well, it certainly isn't God 'Who has made it a place of separation from Himself:

Is hell eternal separation from God? (compellingtruth.org)

Hell is a void of anything at all of God with the exception of His wrath... As He won't need it where His and our eternity lies...

[missmuffet]

1 minute ago, enoob57 said:

Well, it certainly isn't God 'Who has made it a place of separation from Himself:

Is hell eternal separation from God? (compellingtruth.org)

Hell is a void of anything at all of God with the exception of His wrath... As He won't need it where His and our eternity lies...

The master of hades and hell is Jesus Christ.

[enoob57]

3 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

The master of hades and hell is Jesus Christ.

perhaps you can tell me how He is master of a place He has separated Himself from with the exception of His wrath...?

[missmuffet]

9 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

perhaps you can tell me how He is master of a place He has separated Himself from with the exception of His wrath...?

OK..this is a good explanation.

Is Satan the master of hell?

There is a common misconception that Satan is in charge of hell and that he and his demons live there and use their pitchforks to torment souls for eternity. This concept has no basis in Scripture whatsoever. In fact, Satan will be one of the tormented in the lake of fire, not the tormentor (Revelation 20:10).

Where does the idea that Satan is the master of hell come from, if not from the Bible? Much of the false thinking may come from Dante Alighiere’s The Divine Comedy and John Milton’s Paradise Lost. Many other works of art, and literary pieces such as Dan Brown’s novel Inferno, follow Dante’s lead and picture Satan as the one in charge of hell.

Dante’s poem describes the brutal descent of sinners into the underworld. Dante journeys through different levels of hell and purgatory and eventually arrives in paradise. The poem itself was an amalgamation of myths, Catholic ideas (like purgatory), and Islamic traditions about Muhammad’s “night of ascension” (lailat al-miraj). Dante’s medieval view of hell is influenced more by the Qur’an than the Bible.

Dante’s literary vision of hell is depicted by Botticelli in his painting Map of Hell as a subterranean funnel of suffering—a wretched underground landscape of fire, brimstone, sewage, and monsters, with Satan himself waiting at its core. It’s all very disturbing, and effective as a work of art, but it is based on the imaginations of men, not the Word of God.

Satan is not the ruler of hell. It is God who is in charge. Jesus says, “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that can do no more. . . . Fear Him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell” (Luke 12:4–5). Jesus is referring to God here. He alone has the power to throw someone into hell. Who holds the keys of death and hades? Jesus has absolute control over that domain (Revelation 1:18). Jesus assures all believers that not even the gates of hades can overcome His church (Matthew 16:18).

The lake of fire, mentioned only in Revelation 19:20 and 20:10, 14–15, is the final place of punishment for all unrepentant rebels, both angelic and human (Matthew 25:41). The universal punishment for all who reject Jesus Christ as Savior is to be “cast into the lake of fire” (Revelation 20:15). The Bible speaks of hell as a place of “outer darkness” where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matthew 8:12; 22:13). Those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life should have no fear of this terrible fate. By faith in Christ and His shed blood, we are destined to live eternally in the presence of God.

Satan does not rule hell or lead his demons in tormenting those who are banished there. In fact, the Bible does not say that Satan has been to hell yet. Rather, “eternal fire” is awaiting Satan; the place was originally created to punish Satan and the demons (Matthew 25:41), not to give them a kingdom to rule.

Until Satan is condemned and thrown into the pit forever, he spends his time between heaven (Job 1:6–12) and earth (1 Peter 5:8). He will not always have freedom of movement, and he knows it. “Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short” (Revelation 12:12).

 

https://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-master-hell.html

Edited September 30, 2024 by missmuffet

[Cyoder]

If Satan were in charge of hell, why would the worst of us be punished the most?  I've heard of different levels of hell.  Satan would value the most evil, not the least.  I would think Hitler would be punished way less by Satan than your average person who just didn't believe in Jesus.  I think this is why it doesn't make sense for Satan to rule over hell.

[missmuffet]

14 minutes ago, Cyoder said:

If Satan were in charge of hell, why would the worst of us be punished the most?  I've heard of different levels of hell.  Satan would value the most evil, not the least.  I would think Hitler would be punished way less by Satan than your average person who just didn't believe in Jesus.  I think this is why it doesn't make sense for Satan to rule over hell.

There are a lot of reasons that it makes no sense for Satan to rule over hell. Would the sweet little grandmother who was so kind but was not a believe get the same punishment as Hitler? But then some don't know who would. Look at a lot of the far side cartoons that were so popular. People think they are funny and Satan is the master in those cartoons.

 

Edited September 30, 2024 by missmuffet

[enoob57]

hell does not contain a rulership it is all that God is not -for God is not but His wrath there- and God is King forever without end... since God is all things good then hell is absent from all that is good...

The best way to understand hell is it contains only lie and darkness the very things God is not or Scripture could not be fulfilled as separated out from God... I believe we will find that His wrath was generated when satan and his followers, other angels, rebelled and hell was created for them
Matthew 25:41 (KJV)

[41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

They fell first and notice all humans that follow satan are considered as he (his children)
John 8:44 (KJV)

[44] Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

all the things God 'IS' will not be in hell thus it is unimaginable horror and terror without end...

[missmuffet]

59 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

hell does not contain a rulership it is all that God is not -for God is not but His wrath there- and God is King forever without end... since God is all things good then hell is absent from all that is good...

The best way to understand hell is it contains only lie and darkness the very things God is not or Scripture could not be fulfilled as separated out from God... I believe we will find that His wrath was generated when satan and his followers, other angels, rebelled and hell was created for them
Matthew 25:41 (KJV)

[41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

They fell first and notice all humans that follow satan are considered as he (his children)
John 8:44 (KJV)

[44] Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

all the things God 'IS' will not be in hell thus it is unimaginable horror and terror without end...

Then who rules hell? I understand that everything that is bad is in hell.