The master of hades and hell

[Marathoner]

@missmuffet is correct. Our Lord Jesus Christ is indeed the master of Hades and the lake of fire (also known as hell). He holds the keys to Death and Hades (Revelation 1:18); Satan (Revelation 20:10), the false prophet, and the beast (Revelation 19:20 for the latter two) all are cast into the lake of fire. They will be tormented forever, so this does not indicate any of them will "rule" the lake of fire. Scripture does not state that any of those three have power over the second death. 

[missmuffet]

Just now, Marathoner said:

@missmuffet is correct. Our Lord Jesus Christ is indeed the master of Hades and the lake of fire (also known as hell). He holds the keys to Death and Hades (Revelation 1:18); Satan (Revelation 20:10), the false prophet, and the beast (Revelation 19:20 for the latter two) all are cast into the lake of fire. They will be tormented forever, so this does not indicate any of them will "rule" the lake of fire. Scripture does not state that any of those three have power over the second death. 

That is what I see is correct. So you and I agree

[enoob57]

43 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Then who rules hell? I understand that everything that is bad is in hell.

There is no order there is no rule- it is absence of God who is both those things and everything that is good... all you have to do is look at society that sinks into sin- it spins out of control in disorder and chaos ... rebellion itself is to oppose God in all matters of creation... The excitement in sin is not in the thing itself but the actual evil that exists in everyone in flesh... it is the evil of going against God as people who start down a road of sin. Say sex for example, they are doing what they know is wrong and that is where the excitement is but after a while that excitement fades and they move on to more intense disobedience/rebellion till they end up like Hitler or Jeffery Dahlemer. If you notice the progression is more and more chaos and disorder even in life itself which is the evacuation of God in that being... an evacuation till there is no longer anything redeemable but only evil continually... it is this that fills hell and with the absence of God there is no hope of being anything but the evil that you are... Oh no longer is the sensation of pleasure as that is from God as well...

[missmuffet]

7 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

There is no order there is no rule- it is absence of God who is both those things and everything that is good... all you have to do is look at society that sinks into sin- it spins out of control in disorder and chaos ... rebellion itself is to oppose God in all matters of creation... The excitement in sin is not in the thing itself but the actual evil that exists in everyone in flesh... it is the evil of going against God as people who start down a road of sin. Say sex for example, they are doing what they know is wrong and that is where the excitement is but after a while that excitement fades and they move on to more intense disobedience/rebellion till they end up like Hitler or Jeffery Dahlemer. If you notice the progression is more and more chaos and disorder even in life itself which is the evacuation of God in that being... an evacuation till there is no longer anything redeemable but only evil continually... it is this that fills hell and with the absence of God there is no hope of being anything but the evil that you are...

Someone has to rule hades and hell. That is not an answer. God loves those in hades and those who will be going to hell.

[enoob57]

1 minute ago, missmuffet said:

Someone has to rule hades and hell. That is not an answer. God loves those in hades and those who will be going to hell.

You may demand from your mind whatever... but the Scripture will be fulfilled exactly as it is written. There is nothing of God to attach to in hades! If all there is in hades is that which God separates Himself from in the second death lake of fire forever without end what exactly is there that God may attach His love to?

[missmuffet]

9 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

You may demand from your mind whatever... but the Scripture will be fulfilled exactly as it is written. There is nothing of God to attach to in hades! If all there is in hades is that which God separates Himself from in the second death lake of fire forever without end what exactly is there that God may attach His love to?

God is love. God loves everyone and that includes the sinner.Instead of experiencing the fullness of God’s grace, in hades one gets the fullness of divine wrath.

[enoob57]

You are correct 'only the wrath of God' for them in hell- hades- sheol eventual eternally kept in the lake of fire... here they have the fulness of God's Love poured out through the Son 'Jesus' and can respond to God's Word in belief which will lead them to repentance and crying out to God for Him to save them from themselves 

[missmuffet]

1 minute ago, enoob57 said:

You are correct 'only the wrath of God' for them in hell- hadies- sheol eventual eternally kept in the lake of fire...

But the Bible says that Jesus Christ has the keys to heaven and hell. That means He is overseeing it and is the master.

[enoob57]

28 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

But the Bible says that Jesus Christ has the keys to heaven and hell. That means He is overseeing it and is the master.

Revelation 1:18 (KJV)
note: John wrote the Gospel of John and was the only one at the cross and witnessed resurrection!
[18] I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

This is speaking to the Churches in Revelation and of the parameters listed on unto the eternal state...
Revelation 1:19 (KJV)

[19] Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; 

The Gospel of John 'thou hast seen'; The 7 churches 'things which are'; and then called up into heaven (what I believe is representative of the snatching away of the Church) 'things which shall be hereafter'
Revelation 4:1 (KJV)

[4:1] After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

God's control of how things will be in eternity yes, but His absence is noted in Scripture in the place of hell... it's not rocket science how can one rule where they are not? As Scripture clearly teaches us Jesus is our King and will be with us without end
Hebrews 13:5 (KJV)

[5] Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

[missmuffet]

5 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

Revelation 1:18 (KJV)
note: John wrote the Gospel of John and was the only one at the cross and witnessed resurrection!
[18] I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

This is speaking to the Churches in Revelation and of the parameters of on unto the eternal state...
Revelation 1:19 (KJV)

[19] Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; 

The Gospel of John 'thou hast seen'; The 7 churches 'things which are'; and then called up into heaven (what I believe is representative of the snatching away of the Church) 'things which shall be hereafter'
Revelation 4:1 (KJV)

[4:1] After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

God's control of how things will be in eternity yes, but His absence is noted in Scripture in the place of hell... it's not rocket science how can one rule where they are not? As Scripture clearly teaches us Jesus is our King and will be with us without end
Hebrews 13:5 (KJV)

[5] Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Revelation 1:18

I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of ^[a]Hades and of Death.