Why science will not (and cannot) replace faith

[The Barbarian]

5 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

No, it's a fact.  The Bible says God created the world in six days. 

As you learned, the text itself says that they aren't literal 24-hour days.

5 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

The beginning is the beginning of creation, the beginning of life, and the beginning of time.  Jesus said that God made man and woman from the beginning.

Well, let's see what God says was there at the beginning...

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created heaven, and earth.  2 And the earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God moved over the waters.

Why won't you just accept it His way?

5 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

Really?  There is an entire chapter describing how. 

Except for saying that the earth brought forth living things, that's all the "how" we get.   As you know, that also contradicts YE revisions.

5 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

quoting Scripture is NOT revising Scripture.

But adding your new revisions is revising Scripture. It's not just a different interpretation.  It's a deliberate misrepresentation. Why not just set your pride aside and let it be His way?

 

[RV_Wizard]

7 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

As you learned, the text itself says that they aren't literal 24-hour days.

No, it absolutely, positively does not despite your repeated false claims to the contrary.  The Bible ABSOLUTELY says the evening and morning were the first day, the second, and all through the sixth.  The God rested on the seventh day.  God HIMSELF said that in six days He made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day.  We believe God, not you.

7 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Well, let's see what God says was there at the beginning...

There you go again, taking the Bible out of context to try and discredit it.  Answer this.  Is the beginning of humanity the beginning?  Jesus said "From the beginning."  He did NOT say from the first moment or on the first day.  You seem to distort the Bible with every post.  Do you not understand it, or are you intentionally misrepresenting it?

7 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Except for saying that the earth brought forth living things,

LIE!  And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.  You want to take the glory from God and give it to dirt.  Here's another phrase you repeatedly pretend doesn't exist.  And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

8 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

But adding your new revisions is revising Scripture

LIE!  Name one thing I've added to Scripture.  I am the one who quotes Scripture.  You are the one who takes verses out of context, ignores anything that doesn't conform with what you claim, and continue to falsely claim that belief in the Bible as written is somehow a new concept.  You continuously use the same discredited, disproven claims.  It's an absolute waste of time.  Conversing with you accomplishes nothing.  It just gives you a platform to spew your false doctrine.

 

[The Barbarian]

Now you're merely denying things already shown to you.

Take a little time, calm yourself and you'll do better.

 

[The Barbarian]

Except for saying that the earth brought forth living things

13 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

LIE!

Now you're merely denying things already shown to you.

Genesis 1:24 And God said: Let the earth bring forth the living creature in its kind, cattle and creeping things, and beasts of the earth, according to their kinds. And it was so done.

God does not lie.

Take a little time, calm yourself and you'll do better.

[RV_Wizard]

25 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

God does not lie.

You aren't God, and you DO lie.

Romans 1

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Consider this (other readers, since some people cannot be reached through God's word.  They do not value it.

“Adam and Eve are no longer the first humans, and original sin goes out the window. This does irreparable damage to the biblical redemption narrative. The Bible says that death came into the world because of man’s sin (Romans 5:12) and that all of creation labors under a curse because of sin (Romans 8:22). Scripture also says that Christ is the last Adam, come to redeem us from the sin brought into the world through the first man, Adam (1 Corinthians 15:22, 45).”

“If Adam were a mythical figure, which is what evolution demands, even in a Christianized form, the entire parallel between the two Adams and the kinsman redeemer concept is destroyed. By advocating evolution, theistic evolutionists are undermining the very tenets of Christianity.”

“Jesus, when explaining marriage to the Sadducees, referred to Adam and Eve as existing from the beginning of creation (Mark 10:6). According to those who accept millions of years, Adam and Eve only existed after billions and millions of years of death: this makes Jesus either ignorant or a liar.”  source

The Scriptures are not on my side.  I am on the side of the Scriptures.  You, sir, are wrong.  Your claims are false.  Your "quotes" are distorted and out of context.  It's glaringly obvious to anyone who can read that you are quote mining the Bible to discredit God for the creation.

[The Barbarian]

Except for saying that the earth brought forth living things

On 12/13/2024 at 7:52 PM, RV_Wizard said:

LIE!

Now you're merely denying things already shown to you.

Genesis 1:24 And God said: Let the earth bring forth the living creature in its kind, cattle and creeping things, and beasts of the earth, according to their kinds. And it was so done.

God does not lie.

Take a little time, calm yourself and you'll do better.

(RV_Wizard throwing random scripture at a wall, hoping something will stick)

It's still God's word, even though you claim it's a lie.    Find a way to accept it His way.

BTW, you don't understand what Paul is telling you.

Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Here, Paul is talking about idolatry.   He isn't denying God's word that the earth brought forth living things.   You're denying it, but Paul isn't.  

You've made an idol of your new beliefs; Romans 1:20 is talking about you.    Set your pride aside and let it be God's way.

 

 

[RV_Wizard]

20 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Except for saying that the earth brought forth living things

ON DAY SIX.  NOT over millions of years.  Man also was created on day six.  I n0tice you NEVER acknowledge the next verse.  And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.  You can't acknowledge it because it exposes your lie for what it is.

What about the fishes?  And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.  Did you cut THIS verse out of your Bible, Mr. False Teacher?

20 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

BTW, you don't understand what Paul is telling you.

It is YOU who doesn't understand Paul...Simon.  "All lies in jest to the man who hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."  Or, in your case, reads.

Your entire argument is based on misquoting the Bible.  You fool NOBODY.  All anyone has to do is read the text and they can tell that you are intentionally misrepresenting what is written.

[Luther]

On 11/18/2024 at 8:20 AM, The Barbarian said:

Predictions in the early to mid 20th century that religion would come to an end in the face of increasing scientific knowledge have been proven wrong. While some sects of some religions have seen a marked drop in participation, faith itself remains strong. In some nations, the trend is actually reversing in the 21st century.

In a U.S.-based Pew Research Center survey, a majority of Christians (55%) said that science and religion are “often in conflict” when thinking in general terms about religion. When thinking about their own religious beliefs, however, fewer Christians (35%) said their personal religious beliefs sometimes conflict with science; a majority of U.S. Christians (63%) said the two do not conflict.

Such findings broadly align with Elaine Howard Ecklund and Christopher P. Scheitle’s analysis in “Religion vs. Science: What Religious People Really Think,” which finds that many U.S. Christians see little conflict between science and their faith.

This survey also provides a window into the kinds of things that Christians see as a conflict between science and religion. In an open-ended question included on the Center’s survey, respondents who said science conflicted with their personal religious beliefs were asked to identify up to three areas of conflict. Christians most commonly mentioned the creation of the universe, including evolution and the “Big Bang” (cited by 38% of U.S. Christians who saw a conflict between science and their religious beliefs). Respondents also mentioned broad tensions including the idea that man (rather than God) is “in charge,” beliefs in miracles, or a belief in the events of the Bible (26%). Others cited conflict over the beginning of life, abortion, and scientific technologies involving human embryos (12%) or other medical practices (7%).

https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/08/26/on-the-intersection-of-science-and-religion/

Some denominations are seeing declines in participation, but others are not. Those arguing for a conflict with science and those advocating political agendas are seeing significantly greater declines.

Science, being able to only access the physical universe can neither affirm nor deny the supernatural.    Fortunately, there are other ways of knowing than science.

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How about the notion that the earth is flat? Many call it "Biblical Earth" because of the alleged scriptural support. 

[The Barbarian]

6 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

Your entire argument is based on misquoting the Bible. 

Funny how people who do that, never realize that it's them.

6 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

You fool NOBODY. 

You're one ahead on me; you've fooled yourself.

 

[The Barbarian]

3 hours ago, Luther said:

How about the notion that the earth is flat? Many call it "Biblical Earth" because of the alleged scriptural support. 

There are some figurative verses that speak of the "ends of the Earth" or the "pillars of the Earth."    But they no more mean a flat Earth than the "days" of creation mean that the Earth is only a few thousand years old.

It's true that a logically-consistent YE creationist would believe in a flat Earth, though.