Why science will not (and cannot) replace faith

[RV_Wizard]

10 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Or are you claiming that a clergyman with children can't have them calling him "father?"   

Jesus was speaking directly to the scribes and Pharisees.  Specifically, He was talking to those who referred to themselves as "Father" or "Rabbi."  Matthew 23:5-12 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.  And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

This has nothing to do with being a birth parent.  Again, you should read the actual Bible and not the atheist websites dedicated to attacking it.  FYI, your birth parent has something in common with God in that he had a part in your creation.  The minister, unless your mom was cheating with him, did not.  No clergyman has earned the right to be called "Father" but to his own children.

[RV_Wizard]

10 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

How do you figure the Vatican is responsible for Protestant clergy abusing young boys?

https://www.crimrxiv.com/pub/p1afmq2i/release/1

The Vatican not only knowingly covered up for pedophile priests, it had to pay out over $1.5 BILLION in damages to victims.  How typical of you to ignore that and point fingers at others.  While there were cases of abuse in many churches, only in the Catholic church was it covered up all the way to the top.  In fact, Pope Benedict XVI was fully aware of the situation and did nothing about it.

[Feedmysheep]

We are moving into an age in which things will occur that scientists cannot explain. The earth will become unihabitable. And both supernatural divine judgment will along with supernatural resistence and rebellion of those opposed to God.  That is my present belief of the world situation just before the second coming of Christ to establish His eternal kingdom upon this planet.

 We are now in the stage of calmities of the natural kind which science has some say about. But we will move into a stage in which science cannot at all explain the calamities which are making the earth uninhabitable.

[The Barbarian]

6 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

This has nothing to do with being a birth parent. 

God is not your birth parent.  

I realize it was a shock for you to learn that more pedophile pastors were caught in Protestant denominations than were in Catholic dioceses, but those are the facts.

Doesn't mean Baptists are all pedophiles; it just means that they had a larger problem than the Catholic Church.

How the Southern Baptist Convention covered up its widespread sexual abuse scandal

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/02/1102621352/how-the-southern-baptist-convention-covered-up-its-widespread-sexual-abuse-scand

I don't have figures for SDAs, but I'd be suprised if they were much different.   Want me to research that?

[RV_Wizard]

2 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

I realize it was a shock for you to learn that more pedophile pastors were caught in Protestant denominations than were in Catholic dioceses,

Unlike some, I make no excuses for pedophiles.  Public execution cures pedophillia.  Considering that our government is full of pedophiles and human traffickers, I believe too many people have been silent for too long.

Clergymen are targets.  I know of two pastors who were falsely accused by girls who thought it would be fun to bring them down.  Though they admitted making false allegations, there was no consequence to their actions.

None of that changes the fact that your pope was part of the cover-up.

[The Barbarian]

On 12/25/2024 at 7:01 PM, RV_Wizard said:

Unlike some, I make no excuses for pedophiles.

Unless they aren't Catholic.  

On 12/25/2024 at 7:01 PM, RV_Wizard said:

Public execution cures pedophillia.

Cures racism and pride too.  Problem is, we make a mistake sometimes.    What if that was applied to a minister who was falsely accused?    Think.

On 12/25/2024 at 7:01 PM, RV_Wizard said:

Considering that our government is full of pedophiles and human traffickers

Looks like it's going to be, based on information so far.    But they just lost one recently when the House Ethics Committee discovered that the stories were true,     Just as he was about to become AG. 

Can you show me that government pedophiles are more common than Protestant ministers who are pedophiles?   Let's see the numbers.

On 12/25/2024 at 7:01 PM, RV_Wizard said:

I believe too many people have been silent for too long.

 Apparently...

"Pedophiles and Priests, Anatomy of a Contemporary Crisis" (Oxford University Press, 1966).

Jenkins found 0.2 to 1.7 percent of Catholic clergy had been guilty of pedophilia while 10 percent of Protestant ministers had been found guilty of sexual misconduct with a 2 percent to 3 percent pedophilia rate.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/opinion/letters/2018/10/07/book-reveals-pedophila-in-protestant/9620592007/

Show us it's that common in government.   What do you have?

On 12/25/2024 at 7:01 PM, RV_Wizard said:

Clergymen are targets.

I suppose it's because pedophilia is so reprehensible for a minister of God to be doing.   And because up to 3% of Protestant clergy are guilty of it.

On 12/25/2024 at 7:01 PM, RV_Wizard said:

 I know of two pastors who were falsely accused by girls who thought it would be fun to bring them down.

Which is not an excuse for that 2 to 3 percent of Protestant pastors and the 0.2 to 1.7 percent of Catholic priests  who have mostly been protected by cover-ups.   Some people have selective outrage; for them, it's not about the kids, just about an agenda.    I think all people who molest minors are despicable and should be locked up.

 

Edited December 29, 2024 by The Barbarian

[RV_Wizard]

On 12/25/2024 at 11:10 PM, The Barbarian said:

Unless they aren't Catholic.  

Like much of what you say, that's not true.

On 12/25/2024 at 11:10 PM, The Barbarian said:

Cures racism and pride too.

Do you think those two things are on a par with child rape?

On 12/25/2024 at 11:10 PM, The Barbarian said:

Can you show me that government pedophiles are more common than Protestant ministers who are pedophiles? 

I can show you that the COVER UP of pedophile priests went all the way to the Vatican and included the pope.  UN slams Vatican for 'efforts to cover up' pedophile priests in sex abuse scandal.  Protestant denominations don't have a man claiming to be second in command to God who supports this behavior.  You don't see any central authority shuffling pastors from church to church when their sins are discovered.  The Catholic church actively covered up the crimes.  That's a matter of record.

On 12/25/2024 at 11:10 PM, The Barbarian said:

Show us it's that common in government.

Here's what we have most recently.  Here's a list of political figures accused of sexual misconduct.  Many others will be sure to follow once the political machine that covers up the crimes of powerful Congressmen get broken up by a less complicit media.  It is an absolute certainty that the mainstream American media is covering up the actions of leftists they support.

[The Barbarian]

3 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

Like much of what you say, that's not true.

Just noting your selective outrage.    Catholic clergy are much less likely than Protestant clergy to abuse children, but you seem to focus on Catholic abuse.    Everyone notices.

3 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

Do you think those two things are on a par with child rape?

I think when you decide to kill people for evils, you best be really sure.   Notice that the minister you mentioned being falsely accused, would have been killed if you had your way.

Can you show me that government pedophiles are more common than Protestant ministers who are pedophiles? 

3 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

I can show you that the COVER UP of pedophile priests...

You can't get past that obsession.  We'll just note that you can't answer the question, and move on.

3 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

Protestant denominations don't have a man claiming to be second in command to God who supports this behavior. 

Which, I suppose might explain why it's much greater problem in Protestant denominations.

3 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

Here's what we have most recently. 

There's 8 on your list.    And you left off Donald Trump, who was actually found by a jury to have sexually assaulted a woman.  And Trump's first choice for Attorney General, Matt Gaetz, who had sex with an underage girl.  So 10, only one of them a pedophile.

NASHVILLE, June 14 (AP) — The three companies that insure a majority of Protestant churches say they typically receive upward of  260 reports a year of children younger than 18 being sexually abused by members of the clergy, church staff members, volunteers or congregants.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/16/us/16protestant.html

Looks like you made my point for me.

3 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

It is an absolute certainty that the mainstream American media is covering up the actions of leftists they support.

If you think Donald Trump and Matt Gaetz are leftists, we've located the problem.   In contrast, democrat Al Franken resigned after being assailed by leftists for his offensive behavior.

 

 

 

Edited January 6 by The Barbarian

[lrs68]

I believe Science confirms God in several areas.   I don't believe in God because of Science but Science can be a view of the dynamics to how complex God truly is.

[The Barbarian]

6 hours ago, lrs68 said:

 I don't believe in God because of Science

Right.   Science can neither confirm nor deny God.   But science is only one way of looking at reality; it's not the only way of knowing.