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11 minutes ago, Keras said:

The first five Seals are open and have been since the first Century. 

Of course 1/4 of all who have died, have been killed by wars, famines and plagues. Probably more, when you look at statistics of deaths. It was almost unusual for anyone to die of old age, until this recent time of peace and modern medical treatments. 

I do not want to stray too far off topic, but I do believe we see the four horsemen of the apocalypse and their circumstances differently. The first thing to do in order to assess who and what the four horsemen represent is to find correlating scriptures for these entities. In Daniel 7, we see four four separate diverse beasts representing all the worlds nations as the four leading types of socio economic systems. Corroborating this perspective is Revelation 13, where the four separate beasts nations of the world, unite as one, a single world order. Prior to this uniting of the four beasts nations of the world; the four leading differentiating socio economic systems of the world are separate entities with differing agendas, and appear as the four horsemen of the apocalypse. Additional support of the entities in Revelation 6 as end time events is Revelation 4:1, where the Lord calls John to heaven to show him things that are thereafter, (after 95 AD when John was presented with the Revelation), indicating the four horsemen of the apocalypse having not been in action since the first century AD. 

Daniel 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

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3 hours ago, luigi said:

find correlating scriptures for these entities.

They can be found in Zechariah 1:8-10 & 6:1-8

The 'beasts' of Daniel 7, have nothing to do with the Four horsemen. 

I repeat: the Fifth Seal is proof of the first five Seals being in operation since Jesus Ascended to heaven. 


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33 minutes ago, Keras said:

They can be found in Zechariah 1:8-10 & 6:1-8

 

I agree that the four horsemen can be found in Zechariah chapters 1 and 6. Additionally, we see the two witnesses whom the beast kills in Revelation 11, appearing in Zechariah 4. This indicates that the four horsemen in Revelation 6, which appear also in Zechariah 1 & 6, along with the two witnesses whom the beast kills in Revelation 11, appearing in Zechariah 4, are all during these end times, and are related.

That is the fourth beast in Daniel 7, who kills the two witnesses.

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I have made known My purpose.

Acts 13:40-41 Beware lest you bring down upon yourselves the doom prophesied. Understand this and perish, you despisers of the truth, for I am doing a deed in your days, a deed that you will not believe when you are told of it.  

Jeremiah 17:15-18 People say: Where is the fulfilment of God’s Word? Let it come, if it can! It isn’t just the prospect of the coming disaster that makes me follow the Lord. I do not wish for Your judgement, You know all my thoughts and desires. On that evil day, be my refuge, may my persecutors be confounded, may they, not I be terrified. Bring onto Your enemies Your Day of vengeance and destroy them utterly.

Psalms 2:1-4 He who sits enthroned in Heaven, laughs at the wicked who conspire against Him and His people. Angrily, He rebukes them with His wrath. 

Jeremiah 25:30-38 The Lord roars from on high, He thunders from His dwelling place, against His Land and those who dwell in it. This great noise reaches to the ends of the earth, for The Lord brings judgement to all the nations and indeed to all mankind. The godless and evil will be fuel for the fire. Ruin spreads around the world from this mighty tempest and those killed on that Day will lie scattered as dung upon the earth. Cry out, you leaders and shepherds of My people for this is your time to go to the slaughter, you cannot flee from the Lord’s fierce anger.

Jeremiah 4:23-28 I looked at the earth, it was in chaos, reeling to and fro, in darkness.   Nobody could be seen and the land was a desolate wilderness, the towns ruined and deserted, because of the fierce anger of the Lord. The whole world will be affected but not completely destroyed. The earth will be in mourning for this. I have made known My purpose, I will not relent or change it. 

Jeremiah 10:17-18 My people, gather up your goods and flee the country, for you are living under siege. The Lord says: This time, I shall throw out the whole population of the Land. I shall press them and squeeze them dry. Jeremiah 12:14

Isaiah 26:20-21 Go, My people enter your rooms and shut the door after you, withdraw for a little while, until the Lord’s wrath has passed. The Lord is coming from His dwelling place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their sins, it will hide its transgressions no more.

Jeremiah 29:11-14 I alone, know My purpose for you, it is wellbeing and not misfortune, for you and your descendants. If you call Me and pray to Me, I shall listen to you. When you seek Me, you shall find Me, if you search wholeheartedly, I will let you find Me, says the Lord. I shall restore your fortunes and gather you from all the nations and all the places to which I have banished you and then I will restore you to the place from where you went into exile.     Ref: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.

 

The Lord has ‘made known His purpose’, that is to bring disaster onto the godless and the enemies of His people. This coming terrible Day of judgement will ‘affect the whole world’ and millions will die from the effects of the huge CME sunstrike that he will use. The Middle East will be cleared and cleansed and His Christian people who listened to His warnings and kept safe under shelter, will repopulate the Holy Land. As so clearly stated in Ezekiel 34:11-16, all the faithful Christians, the Israelites of God will gather and live in all the Land promised to Abraham. They live in peace and prosperity, in the new country of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, sending out 144,000 missionaries to proclaim the forthcoming Kingdom of Jesus.             


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Jeremiah 23:1-2 Woe betide those shepherds who let My flock be scattered and lost. You have not watched over them, but I am watching you to punish you for your misdeeds.         James 3:1, Ezekiel 34:7-10, Jeremiah 16:17, Jeremiah 10:21

Jeremiah 23:3-4 I Myself; will gather the remnant of My sheep from all the lands to which I have dispersed them. I shall bring them back to their own Land, where they will be fruitful and increase. I will appoint shepherds, who will tend them and they will live in peace and security. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 9:24-26

This is the second Exodus, the gathering and resettling of those of His Christian people who are protected during the forthcoming worldwide disaster of the Sixth Seal. . The Lord will raise up righteous leaders for them. The Land will be fruitful and He will protect them from enemies.             Ezekiel 36:8, Ezekiel 38:8b-9, Zechariah 10:8-10

Jeremiah 23:5-6 The days are coming when a Righteous Branch will come from David’s line, a wise King, who will maintain justice. Judah and Israel will be kept safe and will live undisturbed in the Land.

            The ‘days are coming’, verses 5-6 refer to a later period, the Millennium reign of Jesus. 

Jeremiah 23:7-8 Therefore, the time is coming when people will no longer praise the Lord for bringing His people out of Egypt, but praise Him for gathering the descendants of the Israelites back from all the lands where He had dispersed them. They will again live on their own soil. [‘Therefore the time is coming’ means – therefore, before the Millennium  the Lord will motivate the migration of His people into their inheritance.] Eze. 20:34

Jeremiah 23:9-15  Of the prophets:  I am weak because of the Lord’s Holy Words. For now, the Land is full of godless people, prophet and priest alike are godless and I see their evil deeds. I see things most horrible, adulterers and hypocrites, to Me all the inhabitants  of Jerusalem are like Sodom and Gomorrah. Therefore, I shall bring disaster upon them on the Day of Reckoning.  Ezekiel 22:26-28, Jeremiah 14:14-16, Jeremiah 10:13-14

Jeremiah 23:16-17 Do not listen to what the so called prophets say, those who buoy you up with false hopes and give voice to their own fancies. It is not the Lord’s Words that they speak. They say to all who follow their false teachings: prosperity will be yours and no harm will befall you.          Prosperity theology and rapture theories are the fancies and mistaken beliefs of many Christians today.  Isaiah 50:10-11, Ezekiel 13:1-16, Jer.6:13-15

Jeremiah 23:18 For which of them have stood in the counsel of the Lord and received His Word and taken heed of it, with obedience?   Psalm 74:9         A serious indictment against those end time preachers, scholars and authors, who fail to properly discern and understand the prophetic Word, yet they promulgate and make money from their own theories, ideas and incorrect teachings.        Psalms 50:16-19, Isaiah 30:10, Micah 3:5-7

 

Jeremiah 23:19 See what a scorching wind goes out from the Lord, a furious whirlwind, that whirls around the heads of the wicked.   A ‘scorching wind, a furious whirlwind’, is another description that fits a coronal mass ejection, the fire judgement that the Lord will use on His Day of vengeance and wrath. Psalms 18:7-18, Malachi 4:1

Jeremiah 23:20 The Lord’s anger will not be turned aside until He has fully accomplished His purposes. In days to come, you will truly understand.      Hosea 14:9, 2 Peter 1:19

Jeremiah 23:21-22 I did not send these prophets, yet they go out with a message that is false. If only they proclaim My true message to My people and turn them from their evil ways!

Jeremiah 23:23-24 Am I a God near at hand only – do I not fill heaven and earth? Can anyone hide in some secret place and I not see them?  Amos 9:1

Jeremiah 23:25-40…An indictment upon false teachers and prophets. Jeremiah 5:30-31, James 3:1

Deuteronomy 32:28-29 You are a people devoid of understanding. If only you had the wisdom to discern what your end will be! 


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Jeremiah 6:8-15 Be instructed, Jerusalem [Judah, the Jewish people], or your God will depart from you and will devastate the Land.   Isaiah 22:11-14

The Lord says: Glean like a vine the remnant of Israel, one last time, like the vine dresser – pass your hand over the branches.  Isaiah 5:5-7

To whom shall I speak and give warning? Who will hear me? Their ears are blocked, they are incapable of listening. They treat the Lord’s Word as a reproach, it has no appeal for them.     Ezekiel 22:26-31

But I am full of the anger of the Lord, I cannot hold it back. Isaiah 63:1-6 I must pour it out onto all the people of the Land. Their houses will be given to others.

For all the leaders and people only consider themselves, their prophets and Rabbis are all frauds, every one of them. They fail to address the real problems of their people. They say: “All is well”. All well? Nothing is right and just. They ought to be ashamed because of their sinful practices, yet they have no sense of shame, therefore they will fall with a great crash and be brought low on the Day of My reckoning.  Jeremiah 8:8, Ezekiel 33:25-26, Isaiah 6:11-13 

Jeremiah 6:16-30 The Lord says: you should enquire about the Way that leads to righteousness. But they said: “We refuse”. Then I appointed watchmen – listen for the call they told them. But they said: “We refuse”. Therefore hear you nations and take note of the plight of these people. I am about to bring ruin upon them, for all their sinful ways and ignoring My instructions. Your sacrifices are not acceptable and your offerings do not please Me.  Isaiah 22:14, Zephaniah 1:4-6, Matthew 24:41-42

Therefore the Lord says: I will set obstacles before this people, which will bring them to the ground, father, sons, friends and neighbours will all perish together. Jeremiah 12:14-17 A great host appears, like men arrayed for battle, against you; Zion.

News of their coming has reached us and our hands hang limp, agony grips us, pangs as of a woman in labour. Do not go outside, for the foe will smite you there, as terror is spread around the world. Mourn and wail as the despoiler comes upon us in an instant.  Isaiah 10:17, Isaiah 29:5-6, Zechariah 1:14-18 & 3:8, Revelation 6:12-17

It is appointed to assay My people, testing their conduct, but they are all rebels, mischief makers and corrupt to a man. The bellows blow, the fire is ready. All types of metal in vain the refiner refines, but the impurities cannot be removed. Call them reject silver, for God has rejected them.  Matthew 21:43       Ref: REB.

All of this prophecy in Jeremiah is telling us about the coming judgement/punishment by fire– the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath. This terrifying event will affect all the world, but especially the Middle East and all this prophecy applies specifically to Judah and all the current inhabitants of the holy Land. Jeremiah 12:14, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Ezekiel 21:1-17       

‘a great host appears, like men ready for battle’ This description, along with Joel 2:1-11, is a simile for what will happen. These verses say how the Lord will act on His great Day of vengeance and wrath: Isaiah 63:1-6, Rev 6:12-17  A coronal mass ejection flash will ‘come in an instant’, seen in eight minutes, Isaiah 30:26, but the main mass of superheated hydrogen will take about 24 hours to travel to earth and ‘news of its coming will reach us’. ‘Do not go outside’, is obvious – get into shelter and stay there until it passes, Isaiah 26:20-21, ‘as terror is spread around the world,’ for at least 24hrs. Psalms 18:7-15, Isaiah 2:12-21, Zeph. 1:14-18, 2 Peter 3:7&10 Their houses will be given to others’. Ps. 69:33-36                                                                                                                   


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These scriptures from the prophet Jeremiah, are written to the Jewish people. As nothing like what is described has happened in their history as yet, then all this must be a future event.

Jeremiah 4:3-4 These are the Words of the Lord to the people of Judah and Jerusalem: Prepare the ground, do not sow among thorns. Circumcise yourselves to the service of the Lord, you people of Judah, dwellers in the Land. Or else the fire of My fury may blaze up and burn unquenched, because of your evil actions.

 

Jeremiah 4:5-9 Declare this in all Judah; blow the trumpet throughout the Land. Assemble into fortified areas, raise the signal- To Zion! Make for safety without delay, for disaster is approaching. The Destroyer of nations has risen from His lair, He is coming to devastate your Land. To make your cities waste and empty. Go into mourning, for the fierce anger of the Lord is not averted from us. On that Day, your leaders and officers will fail, your Rabbis and prophets will be punished.  Jeremiah 13:11

Jeremiah 4:11-13 At that time, the people of Jerusalem will be told: A scorching wind from the desert heights bears down upon My people. It is more than a breeze for winnowing. A wind too strong for this will come at My bidding and this will be a judgement on them. It comes like clouds advancing, a whirlwind and storms, like attacking cavalry and swifter than eagles. Woe to us!  For we are ruined.   Jeremiah 13:24-25, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Zephaniah 1:14-18

 

Jeremiah 4:14-18 & 21 Jerusalem: cleanse your wrongdoings from your hearts and you may yet be saved. How long will you keep to your evil ways?

           The news of this terrible event comes to us from the North. Tell the nations, proclaim the doom of Jerusalem. A great horde is coming from a distant place, shouting out against the cities of Judah. She is encircled by it because they have rebelled against their Maker. Their own ways and deeds have brought these things upon you, this is your punishment for your rebellion seated deep within you. How long must I warn them? But My people are foolish, they know nothing of Me, they lack understanding and know nothing of doing right.

 

Jeremiah 4:19-20 Oh how I writhe in anguish! I cannot keep silent, for I can hear the sounds of the battle cries. Crash follows crash and the whole Land goes down in ruin. Suddenly, it happens, in an instant all is thrown down. Revelation 6:12-17

Jeremiah 4:29 At the sound of the approaching disaster, everyone is in flight, people crawl into the bushes and climb up the hills. Every town is deserted, no one lives there.  Isaiah 22:1-14, Hosea 4:1-3

 

Jeremiah 4:23-28 I looked at the earth and it was in chaos, reeling to and fro and in darkness. No person could be seen. I looked, and the land was like a wilderness with the towns ruined and desolate, because of the fierce anger of the Lord. The whole earth will be in mourning for this, for now that I have made known My purpose, I shall not relent or change it.

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Jeremiah 50:17-18 Israel is a scattered flock, harried and chased by wild animals. Assyria was the first to conquer them, then Babylon finally finished them off.  Therefore, Assyria and Babylon will be punished and made desolate.

This is fulfilled prophecy, from now on Bible prophecy uses Babylon as a metaphor for the ungodly nations. and entities.

Jeremiah 50:19 But the Israelites will come back to their own heritage. When that time comes, I will pardon the remnant of Israel and Judah.

 Although part of Judah have returned to part of the Land, we await the final fulfilment of this prophecy, the gathering of all the Lord’s Christian people into all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 4:4-5

Jeremiah 51:15-18 The Lord made the earth by His power, He controls the elements – the wind and the rain. People are ignorant, pursuing their idols, things of mockery which will vanish on the Day of Reckoning.

The Day of Reckoning,‘ elsewhere referred to as the Great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath. This will be the next prophesied event, clearing the way for His people to go to the holy Land and for the eventual rise of the Anti-Christ.

Jeremiah 51:19-47 Israel’s God is not like any idol, He is the Creator and Israel are the people He claims as His own, Y’hovah is His Name. With you I shall repay Babylon, that destructive mountain. Therefore, the time is coming when I shall punish Babylon, her idols and the whole land will be put to shame – all her slain will lie fallen in her midst.  Jeremiah 9:21-22        

Jeremiah 51:45 & 50-51 My people, come out from her and let everyone save themselves from the fierce anger of the Lord. You who escape the sword, go – do not linger.  Remember the Lord from a distant land and let Jerusalem come into your minds.   We are disgraced and shamed because foreigners have entered Your holy places.

Jeremiah 51:46  Beware of losing heart, fear no rumours or violence on earth.

                                                             Reference: Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged

 

The Lord’s people, all righteous Christian believers who are now the inheritors of God’s promises, Galatians 3:25-29, are told to get out of the Babylonish nations, those who ‘escape the sword’, that is: who by faith, survive the forthcoming Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath. Remember your God and Creator from where you live, in distant lands, [from Israel] that will be the time to travel to your inheritance. Psalms 107:1-43, Isaiah 66:15-21

Do not be afraid, there will be ‘violence on earth’, but you who love the Lord and keep His Laws, must maintain your faith and trust in His deliverance. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21                                             

                        

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