Virgin birth?

[BeyondET]

10 hours ago, Sparks said:

I already told you:  You inherit sin from your father, not your mother.  Jesus didn't have a human father.  Capiche?

That would be just a symbolic inheritance which isn't the case at all.

[Sparks]

4 hours ago, BeyondET said:

That would be just a symbolic inheritance which isn't the case at all.

Inheriting sin nature is not symbolic.  You have that nature.  The fact that we now die and that Adam brought death to us all due to his sin, is not symbolic. You will die one day because you inherited Adam's sin. Prior to Adam's original sin, no human died and the world was not cursed and we didn't have the knowledge of a sin nature.

Conversely, Jesus has no such inheritance of original sin, making Him perfectly holy, and making Him the perfect redeemer.  Showing up on the scene as He did fulfilled prophecy as the coming Messiah, and is an extremely elegant solution to the problem of original sin that only God could have solved through His perfect redemptive planning for the world.  Only Jesus is qualified to be our redeemer. 

I am sorry you cannot seem to see it, but I don't care to keep explaining it to you. 

Believe what you want.  God Bless.  

[BeyondET]

4 hours ago, Sparks said:

Inheriting sin nature is not symbolic.  You have that nature.  The fact that we now die and that Adam brought death to us all due to his sin, is not symbolic. You will die one day because you inherited Adam's sin. Prior to Adam's original sin, no human died and the world was not cursed and we didn't have the knowledge of a sin nature.

Conversely, Jesus has no such inheritance of original sin, making Him perfectly holy, and making Him the perfect redeemer.  Showing up on the scene as He did fulfilled prophecy as the coming Messiah, and is an extremely elegant solution to the problem of original sin that only God could have solved through His perfect redemptive planning for the world.  Only Jesus is qualified to be our redeemer. 

I am sorry you cannot seem to see it, but I don't care to keep explaining it to you. 

Believe what you want.  God Bless.  

It's symbolic when it goes through just half the human race. You basically said, sin is inherited only through males.

Jesus was made to be sin, human flesh sin nature.

2 Cor 5:21

God made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

 

Edited December 22, 2024 by BeyondET

[Sparks]

38 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

It's symbolic when it goes through just half the human race. You basically said, sin is inherited only through males.

Jesus was made to be sin, human flesh sin nature.

2 Cor 5:21

God made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

Everyone except Jesus inherits sin, be it male or female.  Every female has a human father.  Jesus didn't have a human father.  His birth was a miracle, a sign, prophecy, and way not to inherit original sin.

[BeyondET]

26 minutes ago, Sparks said:

Everyone except Jesus inherits sin, be it male or female.  Every female has a human father.  Jesus didn't have a human father.  His birth was a miracle, a sign, prophecy, and way not to inherit original sin.

Mary had a human father, indeed the birth was a miracle and Jesus was made to be sin.

[Sparks]

3 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

Mary had a human father, indeed the birth was a miracle and Jesus was made to be sin.

I hope you figure this out, one day.  I am done talking with you about it. 

[BeyondET]

8 minutes ago, Sparks said:

I hope you figure this out, one day.  I am done talking with you about it. 

Okay though hopefully we can talk again, I enjoyed our conversation.

[farouk]

On 12/21/2024 at 4:57 PM, nebula said:

Well, biology is a study not a force or a doctrine, so I would not call it something to "trust."

 But as for the virgin birth, if God can create a human being out of the dust of the earth and create a female human being out of a rib, why couldn't God incarnate Himself through the ovum of a virgin?

@nebula John 1.14, indeed.

The carol:

"God of God, Light of Light,

lo, He abhors not the virgin's womb;

verily God, begotten not created;

O come let us adore Him, Christ the Lord!"

[farouk]

Thanks for the 'likes', @enoob57 and @nebula........

[RV_Wizard]

On 12/22/2024 at 3:46 PM, Sparks said:

Everyone except Jesus inherits sin, be it male or female. 

That's not exactly true.  We do not inherit sin.  We have plenty of our own sins.  We are born with a corrupted spirit and a tendency to rebel against God.  That said, we considered sinless until we reach the age where we can understand right and wrong.  That's why Jesus told us to be like young children, in whom there is no blame.  There are none who remain sinless.  Only Jesus resisted sin all His life.  

If we inherited sin we could not be held responsible for sin.  We do bear responsibility for every sin we committed.  For this reason, but for the blood sacrifice of Christ, we would be forever buried under the weight of our sins.  Jesus paid the blood debt owed for our sins.  We are saved, then, by grace, through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.  No other atonement could remove our sins from us. 

Mary was a virgin until after Christ was born.  Then she and Joseph were married.  She bore him daughters and sons, one of which was James.  James converted after the resurrection.  At the cross, Jesus gave the care of Mary to John.  Mary was a good and pious woman, but she was certainly not a deity and also was not without sin.  John provided for her until her death.  

Many deny the fact that she was a wife and a mother to other children, like they deny things that are written and teach things which are not written.  When in doubt, read the book.