Selective Rapture

[FreeGrace]

13 hours ago, WilliamL said:

FreeGrace said:

What verses/passages indicate all this?

Have neither the time nor the inclination to go into this.

Being a Berean trained Biblicist, I get that alot when I want to know where in the Bible people get their "information".

Me thinks it is just an excuse to dodge answering the question.  If there were clearly worded passages, it only makes sense to prove where the information came from.

So I thank you for your unwitting answer.

[FreeGrace]

13 hours ago, Locust said:

  FreeGrace said:

1 Cor 15:23 says that "those who belong to Him" (all believers from all of humankind) will be resurrected "when He comes", a direct reference to the Second Advent, per Heb 9:28.  All Scriptural references to resurrection are singular.  There will be a resurrection for the saved and a resurrection for the unsaved.  Dan 12:2, John 5:29 and Acts 24:15 say that.

Rev 20:4-6 refers to the resurrection of the saved "when He comes" at the Second Advent as the FIRST resurrection, with the next one 1,000 years after.

I hope its ok to disagree with you .

No problem whatsoever.  Everyone is free to come to their own conclusions.  I am quite comfortable with the verses that I am aware of in Scripture.

13 hours ago, Locust said:

we are told there will be a resurrection of the dead .

Did you look at the 3 verses I gave?  Dan 12:2, John 5:29 and Acts 24:15.  All 3 say there will be a (singular) resurrection for the saved and unsaved.  What they don't say is the timing of them, or whether they occur at the same time or apart.

1 Cor 15:23 does give us the timing for the saved, or "those who belong to Him".  That resurrection will occur "when He comes", which is a direct reference to the Second Advent, per Heb 9:28 - so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

"sacrificed once" refers to the FIRST Advent.  "appear a SECOND time" refers to the SECOND Advent.  And is further confirmation of 1 Cor 15:23 that the resurrection of all believers will be at the Second Advent.

13 hours ago, Locust said:

the thought that it will not happen for 1000 years seems to be in error.

Please define "it" here.  There are clearly 2 resurrections.   The believers' resurrection will be at the Second Advent.  So when does the resurrection of all unbelievers occur?  Well, not until ALL unbelievers have died first.  You can't have a resurrection if there  aren't dead people to resurrect.

When Christ returns to rule, all the mortal survivors of the trib will be unbelievers, and very angry ones at that.  Rev 16:9,11 says "men REFUSED to repent".  So they are very negative and will highly resent the Lord's rule over them.  That explains why there will be a world wide rebellion and all the nations will surround Jerusalem to attack the King.  That is when fire from heaven comes down and FRIES all of them.

THEN, God will resurrect all the unbelievers back into their mortal bodies and judge them at the GWT.  And then, when cast into the LOF, their miserable mortal bodies will die AGAIN.  Which is why the LOF is also called the "second death". 

Unbelievers get to experience physical death twice.

[FreeGrace]

13 hours ago, Locust said:

why ?  consider Revelation 20:5 could be read to mean the dead are all ready living but the next step in there lives are about to get even better.

to call them the ''dead'' gives reference from where they came from .they were the dead

The clear point of v.4-6 is that those who died during the Trib will "be raised to life" (resurrection) and reign with Christ, a reward for the faithful, per Rom 8:17b and 2 Tim 2:12.  And their resurrection is called the FIRST resurrection, which leaves one more resurrection, the resurrection of the unbelievers, which will occur 1,000 years later.  Which will be after or at the end of the Millennium.

[Locust]

there is a huge mistake people constantly make . They read the book Revelation and they try to understand it as it being literal.

after the 1000 years have past they who were of the dead but have by that time could of lived 1000 years .

the thought that every one that ever lived would of been resurrected on the same day is  ridiculous. It would be utter chaos with millions of naked people not knowing what has happened. 

That was likely a surprise to here that there would be naked people running around however consider that these people could have been dead for a very long time the clothing would have rotted away

Edited January 14 by Locust

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, Locust said:

there is a huge mistake people constantly make . They read the book Revelation and they try to understand it as it being literal.

There is a huge mistake people constantly make.  They read the book of Revelation and they try to understand it as being symbolic.

1 hour ago, Locust said:

after the 1000 years have past they who were of the dead but have by that time could of lived 1000 years .

Could you please re-phrase this?  I'm not f0llowing.

1 hour ago, Locust said:

the thought that every one that ever lived would of been resurrected on the same day is  ridiculous.

Based on who's opinion.  Read Dan 12:2, John 5:29 and Acts 24:15 and explain what they teach.

1 hour ago, Locust said:

It would be utter chaos with millions of naked people not knowing what has happened.

Ok, so you think those who have died have no idea what is going on, huh?

Well, all the people who have trusted in Christ are in heaven with Jesus, based on 2 Cor 5:6,8.  And we know that all who haven't are in Hades, in a compartment either called or simply is, "torments", based on what Jesus said in Luke 16.  

And, what's all this about "naked souls"?  The Bible doesn't address any details, but I think it is clear that the conscious souls of dead people aren't embarrassed, however they appear.  King Saul went to a medium to call up Samuel.  When he appeared, Saul recognized him instantly.  And no one said anything about where his clothes were.

1 hour ago, Locust said:

That was likely a surprise to here that there would be naked people running around however consider that these people could have been dead for a very long time the clothing would have rotted away

Do you have any Scriptural support for any of your opinions?  Like at least, any verses that describe "naked souls"?

[Locust]

i see i get to disagree with the thought of so many going to heaven . really its only the elect that are invited and go to heaven .and that's ok    .all others resurrected are here on earth . please consider Matthew 5:5

as I said it would likely be a surprise to realize that its the persons getting resurrected. the ones dying hundreds and even thousands of years back would not have any clothing on .  don't be worried i'm sure they will be given some clothing ,something to eat something to drink . note ,the last to die would be the first to be resurrected  .

Matthew 19:27-30

consider how much teaching there will have to be done . are you ready for that ? almost over whelming 

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, Locust said:

i see i get to disagree with the thought of so many going to heaven .

You are free to disagree with the Bible any time.

1 hour ago, Locust said:

really its only the elect that are invited and go to heaven .and that's ok    .all others resurrected are here on earth . please consider Matthew 5:5

Matt 5:5 - Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

So, your view is based on this verse??  To "inherit the earth" refers to the FACT that ALL saved people will be IN Christ's physical kingdom on earth.  Some reigning with Him, and others serving Him.

Please explain who are the "other saved people" that you seem to think are not 'the elect'.

1 hour ago, Locust said:

as I said it would likely be a surprise to realize that its the persons getting resurrected.

Every person in humanity will experience a resurrection.  All the saved people will receive a glorified immortal body, like Jesus'.  All the unsaved will simply receive their former mortal body.   Could you please re-phrase the sentence above so I will undersand your point.  As is, I don't see a point.  I don't even understand it.

1 hour ago, Locust said:

the ones dying hundreds and even thousands of years back would not have any clothing on . 

Why are you so focused on nudity?  And where do you get such notions from?  The Bible gives NO DETAILS, so your focus on nudity is unfounded.

1 hour ago, Locust said:

don't be worried i'm sure they will be given some clothing ,something to eat something to drink . note ,the last to die would be the first to be resurrected  .

Again, I only see another opinion.  Without any Scriptural support.

1 hour ago, Locust said:

Matthew 19:27-30

consider how much teaching there will have to be done . are you ready for that ? almost over whelming 

What are you talking about?  There is nothing about "teaching" in these 4 verses.

It seems to me that you don't both reading any of the verses that you cite.  Indicating you don't really know what they say.

[Locust]

10 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

 

note ,the last to die would be the first to be resurrected  . does work with Matthew 19:27-30

 

[Locust]

How logical does it have to be? clothing buried in the dirt is only going to last a few years . dig up some graveyard of 100 years ago ,ya will find bones ,naked bones .

good grief. Jesus will give  their life back and ya want to complain because the clothing ya dies in did not make it  ? ?  don't be worried about it they will be taken care of .

[Locust]

hummm ,ya seem to be complaining about the lack of narrative in the scriptures. When you get right down to it there is a whole lot of  lacking of narrative in the scriptures.

consider the execution of Jesus. Scripture does say  after he was dead he was taken down but it does not say how he was taken down. A Layman would say they used ladders and climbed up and pulled out the nails.

when in fact it was all stood up it could also be laid down to get the body free. why is that so hard to comprehend ? ya gotta know it was not a one an done thing