This is my understanding to why grace cannot be earned. I have given an illustration to explain my thoughts..

[Your closest friendnt]

20 minutes ago, Fran C said:

The above is not for me but for @Vine Abider.

but....do you believe that saved persons will be judged after death?

What will they be judged for if they're already saved?

That's make a good and much needed discussion. 

To avoid judging one another the question should be frace " what should we believe about this matter after studying the relevant scriptures in the Bible. 

Edited January 20 by Your closest friendnt

[Fran C]

11 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

That's make a good and much needed discussion. 

Start a thread!

[Your closest friendnt]

1 minute ago, Fran C said:

Start a thread!

But as it is relevant to the OP we can say something in this tread. I think it is very simple. 

[Fran C]

13 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

That's make a good and much needed discussion. 

To avoid judging one another the question should be frace " what should we believe about this matter after studying the relevant scriptures in the Bible. 

You've added to your post....

So:  What do you mean by judging one another?

1.  §Can I judge the condition of your soul?

2.  Can I judge re a doctrine you believe that seems to be incorrect?

 

And, the NT speaks about being judged after death,,,thus my question to you....do you believe we are judged after death?

Read this verse and give your understanding:

John 5:28-29
    28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

[Your closest friendnt]

2 minutes ago, Fran C said:

You've added to your post....

So:  What do you mean by judging one another?

1.  §Can I judge the condition of your soul?

2.  Can I judge re a doctrine you believe that seems to be incorrect?

 

And, the NT speaks about being judged after death,,,thus my question to you....do you believe we are judged after death?

Read this verse and give your understanding:

John 5:28-29
    28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

This is what I wanted to say. 

We discussed what we understand from studying the relevant scriptures at hand. 

This way we do not judge the other person as not to take it personally. 

Back to your question. 

[Fran C]

2 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

This is what I wanted to say. 

We discussed what we understand from studying the relevant scriptures at hand. 

This way we do not judge the other person as not to take it personally. 

Back to your question. 

Not sure what you mean.

Here are the answers to my questions:

1.  We cannot judge a person's soul.  Only God can judge the condition of our soul.

2.  We CAN judge another person's behavior or doctrinal belief.  If this were not true then Matthew 18:15.....would make no sense.

As to taking things personally....on these forums there are many personal comments made that should not be made.  We should always address the topic at hand and not the person.

Regarding works....could you read Matthew 10:41 and post what you think of it?

I believe that born again persons are saved but some kind of judgment will come at the end. In Christianity it's called the Bema Seat judgment.  This means that the WORKS of the saved person are judged....maybe as to motive....maybe as to quantity....maybe as to why we didn't obey the Holy Spirit more...

However, I don't feel I know enough about this and hope that others will join in.

[Vine Abider]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Let's study this one together. If you can elaborate a little more in what you said earlier that I took an objection to it. I will appreciate it.

 2 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

(and we will be sized-up accordingly, as to how much genuine profit we've gained, at the Bema Seat of Christ). 

I still am not sure what you are questioning, therefore not sure how to specifically answer . . .

49 minutes ago, Fran C said:

The above is not for me but for @Vine Abider.

but....do you believe that saved persons will be judged after death?

What will they be judged for if they're already saved?

Yes, and this has been discussed on here extensively in various threads.  The judgement/evaluation for saved children of God does happen at some point.  It is not regarding eternal salvation or loss of one's soul, but rather what the child has done with the grace they've been given.

A good passage for this is in 1 Corinthians 3 where it talks about accountability for what a believer builds with (gold, silver, precious stone or wood, hay, stubble).  If they build well according His desire, and use lasting materials that hold up to the judging fire, then a reward will be given to them and they will hear a "well done good and faithful servant - enter into the joy of your Lord."  If the child of God does not build with proper materials, what they've built will be burned up, yet they themselves are saved through the fire - our Father doesn't destroy His children (born-again with His life in them).

So eternally saved, yet accountability for actions/works.  Children may not follow their parents' instruction and misbehave, and therefore won't get rewarded for such behavior (but their parents also don't kill them!).

Hopefully I communicated this effectively - is it clear and do you need verses?

[Fran C]

2 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

I still am not sure what you are questioning, therefore not sure how to specifically answer . . .

Yes, and this has been discussed on here extensively in various threads.  The judgement for saved children of God does happen at some point.  It is not regarding the salvation or loss of one's soul, but rather what the child has done with the grace they've been given.

A good passage for this is in 1 Corinthians 3 where it talks about accountability for what a believer builds with (gold, silver, precious stone or wood, hay, stubble).  If they build well according His desire, and use lasting materials that hold up to the judging fire, then a reward will be given to them for a "well done good and faithful servant - enter into the joy of your Lord."  If the child of God does not build with proper materials, what they've built will be burned up, yet they themselves are saved through the fire - our Father doesn't destroy His children (born-again with His life in them).

So eternally saved, yet accountability.  Children may not follow their parents' instruction and misbehave, and therefore won't get rewarded for such behavior (but their parents also don't kill them!).

Hopefully I communicated this effectively - is it clear and do you need verses?

No, I don't need verses.

I agree with the above.  It's not how I understand 1 Cor 3 or otherwise Catholics who attribute purgatory to these verses would be correct - however it's too late now and I must sign off.  However, I do agree with the4 premise.

Could you read Matthew 10:41 and give your understanding?

Tomorrow...

[Your closest friendnt]

6 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

I still am not sure what you are questioning, therefore not sure how to specifically answer . . .

Yes, and this has been discussed on here extensively in various threads.  The judgement/evaluation for saved children of God does happen at some point.  It is not regarding eternal salvation or loss of one's soul, but rather what the child has done with the grace they've been given.

A good passage for this is in 1 Corinthians 3 where it talks about accountability for what a believer builds with (gold, silver, precious stone or wood, hay, stubble).  If they build well according His desire, and use lasting materials that hold up to the judging fire, then a reward will be given to them and they will hear a "well done good and faithful servant - enter into the joy of your Lord."  If the child of God does not build with proper materials, what they've built will be burned up, yet they themselves are saved through the fire - our Father doesn't destroy His children (born-again with His life in them).

So eternally saved, yet accountability for actions/works.  Children may not follow their parents' instruction and misbehave, and therefore won't get rewarded for such behavior (but their parents also don't kill them!).

Hopefully I communicated this effectively - is it clear and do you need verses?

The brother specifically asked about the Judgement of the believers or anyone else after death. 

Could you read Matthew 10:41 and give your understanding?

He is asking about Matthew 10:41 A S V
41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward: and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward. 

And also 

Read this verse and give your understanding:

John 5:28-29
    28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.  

 

[Your closest friendnt]

@Vine Abider

Have you considered revelation 2,3 Jesus is action with his believers while they are still living. 

How he rewarded those who follow up what he asked from them while they yet lived.  And what he said he will do to those believers who will not do what he asked them to do. 

Those are believers from the churches of the seven golden lampstands stands as in chapter 1 of Revelation. 

Everything is happening to them before they die. Because he is giving them the chance to repent and be eligible for his blessings in these matters. 

At the time of their death is another situation.  

The believers are not Judge because their sins are forgiven in Jesus Christ. If they are to be commented and acknowledged I am sure there is the place and the time for that. The Angels will know those who are commented for their obedience to the Gospel. Who profit the Kingdom of God. 

Edited January 20 by Your closest friendnt