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1- In the beginning God created the HEAVENS and the EARTH.

2- The EARTH was formless and void,and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

3- Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

4- God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.

5- God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning,        (end of) DAY ONE.

DAY TWO 

6- Then God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”

7- God made the expanse, and separated the waters which were below the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so.

8- God called the expanse HEAVEN. And there was evening and there was morning.                                                (end of) DAY TWO.

DAY THREE 

9- Then God said, “Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so.

10- God called the dry land EARTH, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God saw that it was good.

 

Scripture seems to have detailed the creation of the "HEAVENS" as having occured on Day Two; and, the EARTH to be an event of Day Three, despite that verse 1:1 indicates both were the first things accomplished...

How to we reconcile verse 1:1 that seems to state that the HEAVENS and EARTH were created before day two?


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1 minute ago, Indentured Servant said:

How to we reconcile verse 1:1 that seems to state that the HEAVENS and EARTH were created before day two?

Verse one speaks of what he did, and verses two and one tells of the details of when and the order of doing it.   Verse one covers the entirety of the first six days.  That is one way of looking at it.

The second way is to look at the Hebrew word in the second verse that is translated was and choose another possible translation of became instead of was.  Which leaves a lot of possible time and happenings between the two verses.    I have read books taking both sides of the subject and just decided it doesn't matter to me.  What matters is what happens after day seven.


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1 hour ago, other one said:

Verse one covers the entirety of the first six days.  That is one way of looking at it.

So, basically, verse 1:1 is an introduction, or, perhaps, a 'title.'


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Just now, Indentured Servant said:

So, basically, verse 1:1 is an introduction, or, perhaps, a 'title.'

That's the first way of looking at it.   Much like a title....   God created everything and followed up by when and how.


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18 minutes ago, other one said:

That's the first way of looking at it.   Much like a title....   God created everything and followed up by when and how.

So verse 1:1 isn't an actual completed activity, but a summery (in advance) of the actual creation process? It basically says, "this is the story of creation..." 


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1 hour ago, Indentured Servant said:

So verse 1:1 isn't an actual completed activity, but a summery (in advance) of the actual creation process? It basically says, "this is the story of creation..." 

Some people say it is an advance and others think it is complete and the earth later became void and formless. Very learned people have told me both.


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2 hours ago, other one said:

Some people say it is an advance and others think it is complete and the earth later became void and formless. Very learned people have told me both.

If v.1 it is complete, them scripture states the heavens and earth, each, as being created twice. 

If v.1 is a title, or introduction, then it allows for other perspectives, such as the "gap theory."


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12 hours ago, Indentured Servant said:

If v.1 it is complete, them scripture states the heavens and earth, each, as being created twice. 

If v.1 is a title, or introduction, then it allows for other perspectives, such as the "gap theory."

The orders to replenish in the following scriptures leads some to think it isn't created twice, but created, pretty much destroyed, then restored.  That's what George H Pember wrote about in the late 1800s.  My dad gave me his book when I was a teenager.   It's a good read.  "Earths Earliest Ages"


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3 hours ago, other one said:

The orders to replenish in the following scriptures leads some to think it isn't created twice, but created, pretty much destroyed, then restored.  That's what George H Pember wrote about in the late 1800s.  My dad gave me his book when I was a teenager.   It's a good read.  "Earths Earliest Ages"

Accepting 1:1 as a title makes sense.

It doesn't allow for speculating about why the creation of both heavens and earth was repeated.

It would also be consistent with the dozen other "titled" divisions in the Book of Genesis.   i.e. "This is the Account of the Heaven and Earth," 2:4; and "This is the Genealogy of... (introducing various genealogical records).

I think some people get so hung up on the creation vs evolution controversies that they don't allow themselves to understand what is actually being said, and what is not being said.


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24 minutes ago, Indentured Servant said:

Accepting 1:1 as a title makes sense.

It doesn't allow for speculating about why the creation of both heavens and earth was repeated.

It would also be consistent with the dozen other "titled" divisions in the Book of Genesis.   i.e. "This is the Account of the Heaven and Earth," 2:4; and "This is the Genealogy of... (introducing various genealogical records).

I think some people get so hung up on the creation vs evolution controversies that they don't allow themselves to understand what is actually being said, and what is not being said.

And I'm not at all concerned as to which is correct.

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