Gods Words Are Clear, The Deception Used To Deceive The World Into Taking The Mark And Image Worship Is Fire Called From Heaven By The False Prophet

[Luther]

10 hours ago, Diaste said:

I don't think it beyond possibility that preppers could be part of a fringe group. And it's also true there are survivors of the nations that fought against Christ that live on, and go up to worship the Lord year after year. And again, I see 'all' as 'to each, or every, as it applies'. It's quite possible there will be some resisting the tyranny of the beast who do not confess the Lord Jesus nor believe he was raised from the dead. 

So then even though we don't see it in scripture beyond mere implication, I don't see a prohibition.

I see all that, who is saved and who is not saved, being sorted out at the GWT.

I think up to that point, the GWT, it's not so black and white. 

If you believe in predestination it is black and white. God's chosen people are all accounted for. I believe that once the Holy Spirit is removed, and the unsaved world in in obedience to the new world order ( headquarters in Jerusalem) we will be in the time of Jacob's trouble  (the period of Great Tribulation). It will only be 5 months after that when Jesus will come and cleanse this earth with fire, this beginning His eternal kingdom. 

[Diaste]

11 hours ago, Luther said:

If you believe in predestination it is black and white. God's chosen people are all accounted for. I believe that once the Holy Spirit is removed, and the unsaved world in in obedience to the new world order ( headquarters in Jerusalem) we will be in the time of Jacob's trouble  (the period of Great Tribulation). It will only be 5 months after that when Jesus will come and cleanse this earth with fire, this beginning His eternal kingdom. 

Not predestination as you seem to define it. Using a single verse in Romans 8 as evidence for the definition negates a volume of scripture. 

[Diaste]

18 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Zechariah 14:16 Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)

Zechariah 14:12KJV

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)

Zechariah 14:16KJV

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isaiah 4:3-4KJV

3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:

4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

Revelation 21:24-27KJV

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

I will closely note no such thing. The gathering of evidence here seems sketchy as much evidence is left out, the analysis wanting. 

I might get back to this later.

[truth7t7]

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

I will closely note no such thing. The gathering of evidence here seems sketchy as much evidence is left out, the analysis wanting. 

I might get back to this later.

It's a fact, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are the very same event in who is left after the day of the Lord takes place, the book of life has been opened

(Everyone That Is Written Among The Living)

[Luther]

8 hours ago, Diaste said:

Not predestination as you seem to define it. Using a single verse in Romans 8 as evidence for the definition negates a volume of scripture. 

Last thing I would do is ride into town as a "one verse Charlie"

Predestination is all throughout scripture. The very " seed of Abraham" is a perfect example. 

[Diaste]

15 hours ago, Luther said:

Last thing I would do is ride into town as a "one verse Charlie"

 

Not saying you would. A incorrect definition, or misunderstanding the concept of predestination, negates a volume of scripture. 

 

15 hours ago, Luther said:

Predestination is all throughout scripture. 

Yes. Just not a predestination by lineage, name, ethnicity, race, etc.

"predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ" is what the scripture says.

 

15 hours ago, Luther said:

The very " seed of Abraham" is a perfect example. 

The seed of Abraham is the seed of faith in God's promises. Abraham was made the people of God by faith, not birthright. There was no lineage before Abraham. Anyone that's the seed of Abraham is of the seed of faith.

 

[Luther]

14 hours ago, Diaste said:

Not saying you would. A incorrect definition, or misunderstanding the concept of predestination, negates a volume of scripture. 

 

Yes. Just not a predestination by lineage, name, ethnicity, race, etc.

"predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ" is what the scripture says.

 

The seed of Abraham is the seed of faith in God's promises. Abraham was made the people of God by faith, not birthright. There was no lineage before Abraham. Anyone that's the seed of Abraham is of the seed of faith.

 

And Jesus is the very essence of faith. 

Without faith ( Christ) it is impossible to please God.....Hebrews 11:6

[Diaste]

On 2/10/2025 at 9:57 AM, truth7t7 said:

Zechariah 14:16 Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

Not even close. How do you get to your conclusion? 

Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles"

In your take Jerusalem would have to come against Jerusalem. Here it's the NATIONS.

  Whoever remains in Zion and whoever is left in Jerusalem will be called holy—all in Jerusalem who are recorded among the living—

Here God is speaking about the ones IN Jerusalem, not the NATIONS that are outside and not a part of Jerusalem. 

The idea of parallel here is one of time, but certainly not a parallel event as in two witnesses of the same event, but one of only within the same time frame. 

On 2/10/2025 at 9:57 AM, truth7t7 said:

You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)

Zechariah 14:12KJV

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

"And this will be the plague with which the LORD strikes all the peoples who have warred against Jerusalem:"

Why do you insist on ignoring the text? The plague here strikes those who made war AGAINST Jerusalem, not the people of Jerusalem. 

 

On 2/10/2025 at 9:57 AM, truth7t7 said:

Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)

Zechariah 14:16KJV

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isaiah 4:3-4KJV

3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:

So you highlight the vast difference between the NATIONS and those that REMAIN IN JERUSALEM, yet you can't see it, comprehend it, take it in to account?

 

 

[truth7t7]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

So you highlight the vast difference between the NATIONS and those that REMAIN IN JERUSALEM, yet you can't see it, comprehend it, take it in to account?

You "Deny" the simple fact that (The Day Of The Lord) takes place In Zechariah Chapter 14, the very same (Day Of The Lord) as seen in 2 Peter 3:10 below "Fire" in final judgment, as the heavens and earth are "Dissolved" by this "Fire" The End, no Mortal Millennial Kingdom on this earth Following

Yes Zechariah 14:1 is showing (The Day Of The Lord) Zechariah 14:12 is a detailed description on how the unsaved wicked are judged by this "Fire" in final judgment, as they're consumed as they stand on their feet

You don't want to acknowledge the Lord's "Fire" at his return, because it destroys your false teaching that a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth follows "False"

Zechariah 14:1 & 12KJV

1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

2 Peter 3:10KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Yes Jesus is revealed in "Fire" that will (Destroy Them All), very same "Fire" from God out of heaven seen in Luke 17:29-30, Revelation 20:9, 2 Peter 3:10, and Zechariah 14:12 (Same Exact Event)

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Revelation 20:9KJV

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Edited February 14 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

On 2/12/2025 at 3:09 AM, Diaste said:

The seed of Abraham is the seed of faith in God's promises. Abraham was made the people of God by faith, not birthright. There was no lineage before Abraham. Anyone that's the seed of Abraham is of the seed of faith.

God made the promise to Abraham and his "Seed" and that "Seed" was "Fulfilled" in Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago

Galatians 3:16KJV

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Edited February 14 by truth7t7