Unravelling Revelation

[Deborah_]

Now for the other four visions...

Revelation 14:1-15:4

There’s an alternative to the kingdom of the Beast - the Kingdom of God! The fourth vision (Revelation 14:1-5) is of Mount Zion, the New Jerusalem - which is where God’s people are assembled (Hebrews 12:22,23). The nation of Israel was preserved through 40 years of desert wandering (see Numbers 1:46; 26:51); and it will be the same for the Church. From the beginning of their salvation to its culmination, no-one who has been marked as belonging to Christ will be lost. On earth they may be suffering; but in heaven they’re singing the praises of their Redeemer (Isaiah 35:10). Their daily lives are characterised by consecration and commitment. Like David’s army (see I Samuel 21:4,5), they maintain themselves in a state of personal purity while waging war. But their holiness is not their own achievement; it’s all God’s doing!

The fifth vision (Revelation 14:6-12) is of three angels, each with a very important message to deliver to the human race. The first is a very basic Gospel, calling on all the nations of the world to repent and give glory to their Creator. Not all have heard of Christ; but all are capable of acknowledging that they have a Maker on whom they depend, and that they should give Him due honour. The second message is a proclamation of Babylon’s doom, which has been a long time coming. The original Babylon may be dead and gone, but it represents all that is rich, strong, and self-reliant; and its corrupt and sensuous materialism still characterises the society in which we live. The third message is the judgement decreed for the followers of the Beast (who are the inhabitants of Babylon). All those who drink Babylon’s ‘wine’ of sinful indulgence will also have to drink from the cup of God’s wrath (Psalm 75:8). This is a warning to us: choose wisely! It’s better to be persecuted by the Beast in the present age than to be punished with the Beast in the age to come!

Those who listen and respond to God’s word now are given a special blessing (Revelation 14:13). We are not to fear death, because it’s the doorway to the eternal rest that was foreshadowed by the weekly Sabbath (Hebrews 4:9-11). There we shall be free from all sin, temptation, sorrow, frustration and pain. And our service to Jesus will be rewarded with eternal blessedness.

The sixth vision (Revelation 14:14-20) shows us how the kingdoms of the Beast and the Lamb will be separated at the end of the age (Matthew 13:41). Jesus is the Lord of the harvest, and when it’s ripe (a moment determined by God), He will gather His people in. But after the wheat harvest comes the grape harvest, because the wicked will also be ripe - for judgement! After believers have been taken out of harm’s way, unbelievers will be gathered together for destruction (see Isaiah 63:1-6). God’s judgement will take the form of a final great battle - and the carnage will be so terrible that it will be as if the armies are swimming in blood.

In the final vision of this series (Revelation 15:1-4) the world as we know it is about to be destroyed; but the Church has been rescued, just as the Israelites were liberated on the night of God’s final plague on Egypt. And once again, the people of God will sing the song of Moses (see Exodus 15:1-18). The words may be different, but the theme is the same: God’s victory over the powers of evil, and the deliverance of His people. And just as Moses and the Israelites partied on the shore of the Red Sea after their escape from Egypt and the destruction of Pharaoh’s army, so we shall celebrate our redemption from the world and the final destruction of all wickedness. Truly we have a great, wonderful and all-powerful God!

[Locust]

3 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Revelation 12:1-5 Is A "Recap"

Yes the woman represents Israel, her being with Child represents Mary pregnant with Jesus, it's shows Satan being cast out of heaven with the 1/3rd angels

The dragon ready to devour Jesus Christ was fulfilled in King Herod desiring to find and Kill Jesus as the infant, it also shows Jesus ascension to the right hand of the father after the completion of his ministry on earth

Revelation 12:1-5KJV

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Revelation 12:6 below is future and will take place during the 3.5 year tribulation

Revelation 12:6KJV

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

no

 

[truth7t7]

On 2/22/2025 at 8:27 AM, AdHoc said:

You have decided to take Revelation 20 metaphorically. You have no reason to do this. Scripture neither claims it to e metaphorical nor does it produce an absurdity if taken literally. On the other hand there is every reason to take it literally.

The holy Bible speaks of the (Spiritual World/Realm) and it also speaks of the (Physical Earthly World/Realm)

Revelation 20:1-6 isn't a metaphor as you falsely claim in "Distraction", it's 100% the (Spiritual World/Realm) as was "Clearly Explained Below"

You can't show the three items below, Earthly Kingdom, Earthly Throne, Earthly Mortal Humans, because they "Don't Exist" it's that simple, claims that they do exist is a man made fairy tale as Pinocchio's nose grows

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?

2.) Physical Earthly Throne?

3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Edited February 24 by truth7t7

[AdHoc]

On 2/22/2025 at 8:20 PM, Dennis1209 said:

Greetings AdHoc,

These 144,000 are sealed, meaning they are protected from God's judgments and the Antichrist. Would you agree? As we all know, there are so many interpretations. I have always associated these with the Two Witnesses, except these are global. As the Two Witnesses in Israel, I associate these 144,000 with having a mission in conjunction with the flying angel preaching the Gospel globally. I see the remnant of Israel in Zech. 13:8-9, one-third is not killed off by Judgment and A/C. Where is it said or implied they serve as a remnant?

If the sum total of ALL Israelites is 144,000 then ALL Israel is meant. There are 8 million Jews in present day Israel and another 7 - 8 million still in the diaspora. Then, again, Dan is missing. So the Tribes and number must be representative. The only place that can produce 1the number 144,000 is New Jerusalem. So the Tribes of Revelation 7 are a representative company attached to New Jerusalem. New Jerusalem is God's plan consummated. Therefore the company must be Israelites who are representative AND be according to God's plan. They must be sealed  so as to survive the mechanisms of the Great Tribulation for Deuteronomy 30:1-5 requires a wholehearted return to the Law. This, in turn, requires the Temple. So the events of Chapter 7 are all connected to the last 1260 days when:
1. The Overcomers are Raptured to the air (Rev.3:10, Lk.21:35-36)
2. The slothful Christians are in the wilderness (Rev.12:17)
3. The Lord is within 3.5 years of restoring Israel (Act.15:14-16)
4. The Dragon is limited to earth
5. Israel enter "Jacob's Trouble for giving the Beast to sit in the Holy of Holies
6. The Two Witnesses preach in Jerusalem for 1260 days

In Romans 9 and 11 a Remnant is predicted. The Remnant are Israelites (Rom.9:3-4). They keep the Law. They must function at, or near the end of the age. They must have a Temple. That is sufficient evidence for me to peg them as the Remnant. If you want a verse, I admit that there isn't one. But somewhere the Remnant must be shown of Paul made a mistake in Romans.

As to their ministry, why, there is no mention. They are Israelites. This means two things:
1. they vehemently reject Jesus
2. they could not be believers because the New Man has "no Jew nor Greek"

I judge that NO gospel of Jesus Christ will be preached during the Great Tribulation:
1. the Overcomers are raptured (Rev.3:10)
2. the remaining Christians are defeated by the Beast (Rev.13:7)
3. the remaining Christians are in a wilderness (Rev.12:17)
4. the remaining Christians are partaking of plagues (Rev.18:4)

The gospel is not preached by the Two Witness. Calling fire upon their enemies is not the gospel. They are "WITNESSES" of two great judgments - 1. Noah's flood and 2. 400 false prophets slain for idolatry

The angel of mid-heaven is not preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. He is preaching "the eternal (everlasting) gospel which is "worship God the Creator for He is your Maker and Owner" (see Romans 1:18-24). It is ONLY given to MEN top preach the gospel to MEN. Our Lord forbade the demons to utter Who He was

There is a large contingent of Christians who believe somehow that Israel suddenly gets faith. But scripture is clear. They remain blind and hardened till the time of the Gentiles is full (Rom.11). Israel's darkest hour is yet to start. After rejecting their Messiah for 2,000 years, they give allegiance to the Caesar they called for at Jesus' trial.

[truth7t7]

11 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

They must be sealed  so as to survive the mechanisms of the Great Tribulation for Deuteronomy 30:1-5 requires a wholehearted return to the Law.

False the law was abolished by the shed blood of Jesus Christ on Calvary, your claim that man on earth will return to the law is 100% "False"!

Ephesians 2:15-16KJV

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

[Locust]

49 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

doesn't happen either

[Locust]

7 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

The 144,000 represent the "Remnant Jew" that's saved, sealed, and added to the "Church On Earth" they are saved, sealed, "Christians" 

Revelation 7:3KJV

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Ephesians 1:13KJV

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Revelation 22:4KJV

4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

Is that supposed to be an answer

[AdHoc]

4 hours ago, Deborah_ said:

Revelation 14:1-15:4

There’s an alternative to the kingdom of the Beast - the Kingdom of God! The fourth vision (Revelation 14:1-5) is of Mount Zion, the New Jerusalem - which is where God’s people are assembled (Hebrews 12:22,23). The nation of Israel was preserved through 40 years of desert wandering (see Numbers 1:46; 26:51); and it will be the same for the Church. From the beginning of their salvation to its culmination, no-one who has been marked as belonging to Christ will be lost. On earth they may be suffering; but in heaven they’re singing the praises of their Redeemer (Isaiah 35:10). Their daily lives are characterised by consecration and commitment. Like David’s army (see I Samuel 21:4,5), they maintain themselves in a state of personal purity while waging war. But their holiness is not their own achievement; it’s all God’s doing!

In Matthew 13, as our Lord expounded the mysteries of the Kingdom, He emphatically stated that the end of the age was a harvest. The angels would be the reapers (Matt.13:39). The harvest must be expounded by scripture, or nature (for nature declares the things of God - Rom.1). I have tried to adhere to this. Here is the text with minimum comment. 

1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 

There is both a heavenly mount Sion and an earthly. It is the place of power and authority. The setting is heaven as it is the same scene as Chapter 4. 144,000 is derived from New Jerusalem. These are those who fulfill and consummate God's eternal purpose. They are Christians having a common Father with Jesus by rebirth alone.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 

The Christian is judged before the Bema (Rom.14:10). Here they stand before the Throne. The Bema is over and they are judged "without guile". If a harvest is commanded then Leviticus 23 must be studied. There are TWO firstfruits 1. One WITHOUT leaven and one WITH leaven. The first speaks of Christ and the second the mature Christians (for the Farmer only harvests that which is ripe as per His command in Matthew 13). they "REDEEMED FROM the earth". Only Christians are raptured. "Redeemed" indicates value.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb

Israel followed the Nations in idolatry (Josh 24:14). They were dispersed for idolatry. The Beast in the Holy Place is their peak of idolatry. Only the Christians are "Virgins" (Mattew 25, 2nd Cor.11:2). Israel did not follow the Lamb. They are valuable for they are "redeemed". "From among MEN indicates the whole world's population. This then includes being taken out of the general Assembly of Christian. They are the "good" found in the harvest of the Wheat in Matthew 13. They are the FIRST-RIPE  - a select company of outstanding Christians.

5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

These are that select group of Christians who OVERCAME and stand before the THRONE - those blessed of Revelation 19 who are judged to have  "Garment" worthy of the Wedding Feast. The THRONE is Christ's REWARD. These FIRSTRIPE "enter the JOY of the Lord" - Matt.25.

[AdHoc]

14 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

False the law was abolished by the shed blood of Jesus Christ on Calvary, your claim that man on earth will return to the law is 100% "False"!

Ephesians 2:15-16KJV

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

No my friend. Read Ephesians 2:15-16 properly. It IS ONLY for the NEW MAN - not Israel. Jeremiah is clear. The New Covenant is one for the TWO HOUSES of Israel and is one of LAW (Jer.31:31-33 etc). It was our Lord Himself Who said that not one jot or tittle of Law would pass until ALL was fulfilled. While Christ has fulfilled the Law, Israel have still to do it. In Luke 22 we have the promise of Jesus to feast the Passover in His Kingdom when he comes. The Passover is part of the Law.

[truth7t7]

6 hours ago, Locust said:

doesn't happen either

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.