Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

[Luther]

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

That's what I am looking for.  How do you "handle" the chapter?

I would handle basically all of Revelation from an allegorical perspective. And I would compare lots of scripture and pray for wisdom.

[Montana Marv]

 

Following Armageddon:

Zech 14:16 - Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord God Almighty, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.

When the 1000 years are over:

Rev 20:7-9  - When the 1000 years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog to gather them for battle.  In number they are like the sand of the seashore.  They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves.  But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

Following Armageddon there are survivors after the attack.

Following the 1000 years, no survivors after the attack.

Pre and into the 70th Week:

Then we can look at Ezk 38:22  - I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on many nations with him.

Ezk 39:12,13 - For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them in order to cleanse the land, All the people of the land will bury them. v15 - in the Valley of Hamon Gog.

Ezk 39:9 - Then those who live in the towns of Israel will go out and use the weapons for fuel and burn them up; the small and large shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears.  For seven years they will use them for fuel.

Three different wars, three different outcomes

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

 

[Excalibur]

On 3/6/2025 at 7:31 PM, Luther said:

Luke 17:20-21 KJV

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

[21] Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

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The kingdom of God is made up of Christians , symbolically "lively stones" and Jesus is the " living stone" ( 1 Peter 2: 3-5). We are " found in Him"  (Philippians 3:9) having the righteousness of God by His faith. We are reigning with our Lord right now           (2 Timothy 2:12, Revelation 5:10).

 As you can see, we are intimately associated with our Savior. We are what makes up His kingdom. 

Nowhere does God say He has two kingdoms, one for Christians and one for a future group of  people in a politically acquired state called Israel. No scripture like that exists. Anyone who believes that is following after a false doctrine. 

ONE KINGDOM. You must understand that the kingdom of God ( in Jesus Christ) has been in formation since the beginning of time, since men began " to call upon the name of the LORD "  (Genesis 4:26). 

The churches are being deceived by the children of the devil who want their own kingdom on this earth without Jesus Christ, the One they fear the most. They have gone to great lengths to steal the wonderful promises found in the OT regarding all in Christ, a temple being built by His "lively stones", and place themselves there....of course when all the Christians are " raptured". 

Psalm 2:6-7 KJV

Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

[7] I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Hebrews 1:5,8 KJV

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

[8] But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

( Jesus is only setting up ONE THRONE, in heaven)

Psalm 145:10-13 KJV

All thy works shall praise thee, O LORD; and thy saints shall bless thee.

[11] They shall speak of the glory of thy kingdom, and talk of thy power;

[12] To make known to the sons of men his mighty acts, and the glorious majesty of his kingdom.

[13] Thy kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and thy dominion endureth throughout all generations.

(There is one kingdom, for Christians, not of this world):

John 18:36 KJV

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

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If you are fighting for your kingdom to be set up on this earth, not only is there zero  Biblical support for that, it certainly would not be a kingdom from  God. If you are deceiving many to support you for that cause, that's even worse. 

Below is an excerpt from a book I highly recommend:

"The Bible: a literal futurist hermeneutic assessed

It has been shown that the development of a literal and futurist reading of Scripture and, in particular, the argument that Old Testament references to Israel apply to contemporary Jews and the State of Israel rather than the church, is directly attributable to Irving, Darby and those who attended the Albury and Powerscourt conferences of the 1820s and 1830s. These were given particular expression in Darby's dispensational scheme and then codified and accorded virtually canonical status in the Scofield Reference Bible. Sandeen observes that dis-pensationalism has 'a frozen biblical text in which every word was supported by the same weight of divine authority', 107 Clarence Bass goes further, insisting:

 

No part of historic Christian doctrine supports this radical distinction between church and kingdom. To be sure they are not identical; but Dispensationalism has added the idea that the kingdom was to be a restoration of Israel, not a consummation of the church."

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Consummation? Absolutely:

1 Corinthians 15:23-24 KJV

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

[24] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Everyone in Christ, who makes up the kingdom of God, becomes one with the Father. And that's the end of this world. No foolish talk of a continuation of another kingdom for others besides Christians. It is done. 

Acts 19:8 KJV

And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.

Can't you see? Paul went to the jews to get them out of the synagogues and into the kingdom of God ( body of Christ). Did he say to them, "Don't worry, Christ will set up a kingdom on this sin cursed earth so your future people who reject my Savior will have a thousand years to get right with Him?" 

Today is the day of salvation. 

Matthew 25:34 KJV

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Luke 22:29-30 KJV

And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; [30] That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

I agree with a lot of what you say above. 
 

See also Dan 2:44.  “In the days of these kings….”  
 

God set up the final kingdom that will never be destroyed in the days of the Roman Empire.  That kingdom is Christianity. 

[truth7t7]

On 5/31/2025 at 7:19 AM, Anne2 said:

What of these verses?

Re 21:23  And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Re 21:24  And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Rev 22:5  And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
 

There will be a completely New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, no light will be needed in the city "New Jerusalem"

There will be houses built and vineyards planted with fruit eaten, the river of life will flow out of the Lord's house in New Jerusalem that has fish and fishermen

The eternal kingdom isn't going to be long haired angels flying around with harps as the world's falsely depicts and teaches 

Yes the eternal kingdom will have New Moons, Sabbath Days and a feast of tabernacles 

Isaiah 65:12KJV

21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

Ezekiel 47:8-10KJV

8 Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.

9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.

10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.

The righteous saved will go up from year to year to New Jerusalem to keep the feast of tabernacles

Zechariah 14:16KJV

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Edited Sunday at 04:29 PM by truth7t7

[Anne2]

45 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

There will be a completely New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, no light will be needed in the city "New Jerusalem"

There is light there. It is just not from the sun or the moon.

[Luther]

17 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

There is light there. It is just not from the sun or the moon.

Can you even fathom what this will be like? 

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

 

Ezk 39:12,13 - For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them in order to cleanse the land, All the people of the land will bury them. v15 - in the Valley of Hamon Gog.

Ezk 39:9 - Then those who live in the towns of Israel will go out and use the weapons for fuel and burn them up; the small and large shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears.  For seven years they will use them for fuel.

Three different wars, three different outcomes

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

 

The prophecy of Ezekiel Chapter 39 surrounds Israel's return from the Babylonian Captivity To (Israel/Jerusalem) the battle and event's seen took place "Long Ago" with "Wooden Weapons", Bows, Arrows, Spears, Shields

Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 surrounds the building of the 2nd Zerubabbel Temple in Jerusalem In 536BC

Israel's Return From The Babylonian Captivity Seen Below, Simple, Clear, Easy To Understand. The Prophecy In Ezekiel 39 Was "Fulfilled" Long Ago

Ezekiel 39:9KJV

9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

Ezekiel 39:27-28KJV

27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

28 Then shall they know that I am the Lord their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

Edited Sunday at 05:27 PM by truth7t7

[Anne2]

7 minutes ago, Luther said:

Can you even fathom what this will be like? 

No, I can't. But only imagine it

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Following Armageddon:

Zech 14:16 - Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord God Almighty, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.

Zechariah 14:16, Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)

Zechariah 14:12KJV

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)

Zechariah 14:16KJV

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isaiah 4:3-4KJV

3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:

4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

Revelation 21:24-27KJV

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

[truth7t7]

19 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

During the Mill; the same Just and Unjust; yet Jesus Christ the King of Kings and Lord of Lords is the light.  Zech 14:6,7  - On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost.  It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime; a day known to the Lord.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Zechariah Chapter 14 Is "The Eternal Kingdom" Dont Be Deceived

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV

14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.

11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.