Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, dad2 said:

Yes it is in Revelation. So? Did you think that meant it therefore was not on the planet?

The GWTJ takes place in the Lord's eternal spiritual realm when the book of life is open, your claims have cracked, fallen apart

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[Luther]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand Ezekiel 37:19 


GOD hasn't abandoned the prophecies given in the OLD TEST and I believe   
All Israel is ALL of Gods people, house of Judah, house of Israel, aka all those of the law and all those of faith, WHOMSOEVER WOULD.

It starts back in the OT - the Nation of Israel begins with the 12 tribes.  They get split into 2, one will keep the Law and bring forth the Messiah, the other will come by FAITH and preach to the whole world of Gods Salvation.  (King line and Birthright, Judah and Joseph) 

Both those kingdoms went into captivity whereby the LAND of the nation ceased to be under their control. Since then, the house of Judah, (has never forgotten where they come from)brought forth the Messiah and continue to keep GODS Law, while the house of Israel has and are the 'lost sheep of the house of Israel' JESUS came for, and having been sifted amongst the heathen they have gone on to create many nations, and they come to be of Israel through FAITH in Jesus Christ. 

  

6  Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,  9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11  For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

 

Zech 10

6  And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I am the LORD their God, and will hear them.

7 And they of Ephraim shall be like a mighty man, and their heart shall rejoice as through wine: yea, their children shall see it, and be glad; their heart shall rejoice in the LORD.

8 I will hiss for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased.

9 And I will sow them among the people: and they shall remember me in far countries; and they shall live with their children, and turn again.

10 I will bring them again also out of the land of Egypt, and gather them out of Assyria; and I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon; and place shall not be found for them.

11 And he shall pass through the sea with affliction, and shall smite the waves in the sea, and all the deeps of the river shall dry up: and the pride of Assyria shall be brought down, and the sceptre of Egypt shall depart away.

12  And I will strengthen them in the LORD; and they shall walk up and down in his name, saith the LORD.



For me it is best explained in Ez 37  with the valley of the dry bones
 

The Vision Explained

11  Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. 12  Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13  And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14  And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

Their GRAVES WERE OPENED and they 'followed Him/lived again' and will return with Him and will be placed back in their own land at the 2nd Advent....

 

 2nd Advent - Lords Day...

15  The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying, 16  Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions: 17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand. 18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19  Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20  And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes. 21  And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land

22  And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: 23  Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever. 26  Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. 27  My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

 

You said: " Since then, the house of Judah, (has never forgotten where they come from) brought forth the Messiah and continue to keep GODS Law, "

I'm trying to figure out the significance of this statement. If they have never forgotten where they came from, and continue to keep God's law ( assuming you are speaking of the first covenant), then there is no significance.

If you are not under the New Covenant, you can't have a relationship with God of eternal value.

You quoted: " And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all:"

This is figurative language for Christ being King over all His people, the remnant from all kindreds and tongues. The " one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel ( Jacob/ Jesus Christ) is the new heavens and earth.

Ezekiel 37 ( along with many other OT chapters) is pretty straightforward when we just keep in mind that the only people in which all of these promises of land or eternal inheritance pertain to are those who are in Christ Jesus.

 

[dad2]

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The words of the book don't mention the Great Tribulation anytime after Rev. 7:14, BEFORE the 7th seal is ever opened, so well before the time of the Trumpets and the Bowls.

Jesus mentioned it. That will do just fine. He returns right after the tribulation. Also, Revelation does mention how long it will be

Revelation 11:2

But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Revelation 13:5

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Daniel also.

We also know that Jesus does not return in Revelation till chapter 19. So before that is still the Great Tribulation.

 

[dad2]

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The "Sealed Church" is protected from God's wrath upon the earth, as the words of God clearly teaches below, all believers are sealed by God the Holy Spitit, a replay of Moses/Aaron against Pharoah of Egypt

Only those men "Without" God's seal will be tormented

Yes but countless of them will be killed for their faith. Yes, during that wrath/tribulation time on earth. Just because His people have some help and protection in that time does not mean that time does not exist. The Great Tribulation includes miracles of protection of course. Pointing out that some are protected does not mean there is no tribulation!

[dad2]

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Once again not one word in Revelation 20:1-6 presents a physical literal 1,000 year kingdom on this earth, that seen in your jumbled response is 100% in the Lord's spiritual realm of eternity

Once again you failed to answer how the things I bolded in the passage you cited as strictly spiritual could possibly be explained that way!

 

Revelation 20:1

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the bottomless pit and a heavy chain in his hand.

Revelation 20:2

He seized the dragon—that old serpent, who is the devil, Satan—and bound him in chains for a thousand years.

Revelation 20:3

The angel threw him into the bottomless pit, which he then shut and locked so Satan could not deceive the nations anymore until the thousand years were finished. Afterward he must be released for a little while.

Revelation 20:4

Then I saw thrones, and the people sitting on them had been given the authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony about Jesus and for proclaiming the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his statue, nor accepted his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They all came to life again, and they reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Revelation 20:5

This is the first resurrection. (The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years had ended.)

Revelation 20:6

Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. For them the second death holds no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him a thousand years.

Angels appeared on earth. Having an angel does not mean it is on Mars, sorry. The word 'down' very much applies to earth obviously as well. A thousand years applies to earth more than any 'spiritual' place, because what is time like in heaven? It is on earth that we measure time like that. Then there is the bottomless pit. It gets opens and up comes things from the deep! That cannot be anywhere else than earth. Your claims are absolutely refuted. Did you think that that pit would be opened on Mars or heaven?? Then it says the pit is shut and locked. Sound like Mars or heaven to you? Then it talks about people. In what way must 'people' be spiriualized away and not possibly being on earth!? Then it mentions the final king, the AntiChrist (beast) Sound like that is anywhere but earth to you? The people who took his mark, that was on earth. It was a real mark. Not some spiritual invisible thing, it will be required to buy and sell, and seen by all merchants! It then talks about believers being priests of God and reigning. What did you think we reign over on the Moon or Uranus or heaven exactly??

[dad2]

15 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

The GWTJ takes place in the Lord's eternal spiritual realm when the book of life is open, your claims have cracked, fallen apart

Having a book opened and God here cracks nothing! We are told after that about how the planet will be made new as well as the universe. In what way would all those who died on earth that get raised be required to NOT be here to get raised and judged? Name a verse that says they all get transported to some specific other place for that??

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, dad2 said:

Yes but countless of them will be killed for their faith. Yes, during that wrath/tribulation time on earth. Just because His people have some help and protection in that time does not mean that time does not exist. The Great Tribulation includes miracles of protection of course. Pointing out that some are protected does not mean there is no tribulation!

The original question you posed was in trying to justify your claim of a pre-trib rapture, and how God is pouring wrath on the earth therefore the church must be raptured to heaven before the tribulation on earth

You have been clearly shown how the sealed church on earth will be protected upon earth as God's wrath is poured upon the wicked 

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[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, dad2 said:

Having a book opened and God here cracks nothing! We are told after that about how the planet will be made new as well as the universe. In what way would all those who died on earth that get raised be required to NOT be here to get raised and judged? Name a verse that says they all get transported to some specific other place for that??

Post scripture that proves your claim made that judgement takes place upon this physical earth, "You Can't" because your claim doesn't exist in scripture

[dad2]

Just now, truth7t7 said:

The original question you posed was in trying to justify your claim of a pre-trib rapture, and how God is pouring wrath on the earth therefore the church must be raptured to heaven before the tribulation on earth

You have been clearly shown how the sealed church on earth will be protected upon earth as God's wrath is poured upon the wicked 

As if that was some question or debatable? Of course He protects believers to some extent. As Daniel put it Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

 It was shown how the vials are the finishing part of the wrath of God. So unless you want to dispute that the vials are part of the seven years period, or that something that is completed had to be started first (in this case the vials are the completion of the wrath of God)

[dad2]

Just now, truth7t7 said:

Post scripture that proves your claim made that judgement takes place upon this physical earth, "You Can't" because your claim doesn't exist in scripture

The nations are on earth if you notice? Again, where did you think He sticks the nations to rule them from Jerusalem, if not on the planet??