Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

[Luther]

43 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

But it isn't written in a figurative manner, it is written in a very literal manner using figurative language for more understanding, not less.  IF it isn't literal then many of the prophecies are made null and void and with that so is the Bible.  

How do you go from what is clearly written in a literal manner (the past attesting to that truth, as does archaeology) to voiding it out and assign it as some figurative meaning?  That claim is making the Bible a book of confusion in which what is written ISN'T what is meant and what ISN'T written IS what is meant.  You do realize that don't you?  

As for me, when GOD gives prophecies in VERY straightforward ways, we shouldn't question whether they are true or not, we should just accept them as being so.   
God is not of confusion or disorder.  It is in its simplicity His truth is found.  The biggest problem, for me at least, is I truly believe it is all literal, literally Gods Truth and Plan and see the figurative language employed as giving a 'truer' picture than what words alone can give. 

So, I do see a 'beastly' system coming into power made up of the peoples of the earth and also believe there is coming a time when Satan and his angels will be kicked out of heaven cast down to the earth and  I  believe because those in the  world are not being taught what is LITERALLY WRITTEN in the bible, most of it will be deceived by Him.   I believe Christ will return and this age/day/time will end and the kingdom 'proclaimed' by John the Baptist long ago will come about and I believe it will be a super natural/ spiritual age in which Satan will be bound and all those from the past several thousand years who never 'heard the good news' will rise up from under the earth and be taught GODS Truth.  I believe at the end of that time Satan will be loosed to once again come to try and deceive the world and will yet again, get alot of souls to believe in him and that GOD will put an end to it and then there will be a GWTJ for them and at the end, we will begin yet a new age, the NHNE age in which GOD and the Lamb will rule...

Since I have complete faith in the words of God AS they are written, and now having studied it for the past few years, can almost SEE it and its reality....AND so to make all that just 'disappear' and replace it with ???,  IDK because I don't know how you or anyone else 'figuratively' see it, is impossible.  

So, lay out the events of the future for me as you 'see' it in this 'figurative' manner, as I have in this 'literal' one and give the scripture that goes with it, AS IF you are teaching a child who knows nothing because if you can't, like I did, then how can you ever persuade?  What I put forth as truth can be found, IN HIS EXACT WORDS. Nothing of me adding to or taking away...

There is coming an end to the 'kingdoms' that are of the world and against GOD who have been ruling here on the earth.  The LAST ONE, the iron and clay 10 toed one, will be the most 'deceptive' one and is the one Christ will return to destroy.  He will reign on earth on His own throne for 1000 years.  At the end of that time Satan will be loosed, and the FINAL separation of good and evil will take place with GOD making an end of it all with the GWT judgment and LOF. 

What follows is a NHNE....and the beginning of THAT Book will probably sound a lot like the beginning of the present one....

In the beginning GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS....


You see, I also believe Rev 12 is as true and real as the world I am living in today.  I believe GOD KNEW Jeremiah before he was in the womb.  I believe just as we are partakers of flesh and blood so too was the WORD made flesh.  I don't know how to understand what is written any other way.  


If ONLY those in Christ Jesus receive the 'promises', and not those to whom they were promised, then what stops GOD from negating them again?  IF GODS WORD can't be trusted as being TRUTH, then what are we left with? 

AREN'T THOSE (a part) OF THE OLD TESTAMENT 'BLINDED' SO THAT many more CAN COME TO FAITH and be saved?  

So, what happens to THEM?  They are blinded by God and then they perish for being blind?   

IS that your God?

 Are all those of the past 6000 years who NEITHER were of Israel or NEVER EVEN HEARD the good news TO just be considered 'chaff' to be burned? 

How does that FULFILL

2 Pet 3:9  Not does delay the Lord the promise, as some slowness esteem, but is patient toward you, not willing any to perish but all to repentance to come.  



 

You said: " How do you go from what is clearly written in a literal manner (the past attesting to that truth, as does archaeology) to voiding it out and assign it as some figurative meaning? "

That's a good question. God wrote the Bible in a dualistic manner. Many verses, although historically and morally valid, contain spiritual truths for the true believer to examine. Not everyone is going to see it. If someone is adamant about literal interpretation, and only perceives the parabolic nature of something when it can't be interpreted any other way, they aren't seeing the whole picture.

 

You said: "If ONLY those in Christ Jesus receive the 'promises'...."

But only those in Christ Jesus DO receive the promises or actually the promise of eternal life. That's why we're in the New Covenant.

 

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[Luther]

10 hours ago, dad2 said:

When Jesus returns to earth, we see this

Rev 19:5 From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations; and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty

He rules the nations after He returns. This is news? We also know He willl rule from Jerusalem. So where do you claim all the nations of planet earth will be exactly?? :)

 

Revelation 19:15 is judgment Day. The last day of this world, a time of God's wrath upon this sin- cursed Earth.

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

 Satan will be bound and all those from the past several thousand years who never 'heard the good news' will rise up from under the earth and be taught GODS Truth.  

That's a new one, Big Smiles!

Jesus returns and all those in the grave are raised to hear the gospel, Just forget about hell, everyone gets a second chance

Edited May 20 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

6 hours ago, Luther said:

Revelation 19:15 is judgment Day. The last day of this world, a time of God's wrath upon this sin- cursed Earth.

100% Correct!

"The Day Of The Lord"

[dad2]

14 hours ago, Luther said:

Revelation 19:15 is judgment Day. The last day of this world, a time of God's wrath upon this sin- cursed Earth.

Right, after He returns. The vials of wrath are before that. The point about that was that if the vials are the finishing touches or completion of the wrath, then the wrath started before the vials. That means the tribulation period

Edited May 20 by dad2

[Luther]

10 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

100% Correct!

"The Day Of The Lord"

I think you would agree that the more you read, the more you study, the topics that we think are so multi faceted become more simple, more straightforward. But you have to have a sure foundation. For example, if you know that the last day of this world is when Jesus comes for judgment and ushering in a new heavens and earth, then all of the different ways in which God explains that day throughout His Word, we can tie it all together and find a strong consistency or cohesiveness.

I am looking for the second coming of Jesus Christ " unto salvation", Hebrews 9:28), in which our salvation will be complete, soul united with new spiritual/ physical body.

[Luther]

28 minutes ago, dad2 said:

Right, after He returns. The vials of wrath are before that. The point about that was that if the vials are the finishing touches or completion of the wrath, then the wrath started before the vials. That means the tribulation period

I believe when we see the " wrath" of God in scripture, it always relates to the last day, Judgment Day, when the earth is literally destroyed by the fire of His jealousy:

Revelation 11:18 KJV
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, Luther said:

I believe when we see the " wrath" of God in scripture, it always relates to the last day, Judgment Day, when the earth is literally destroyed by the fire of His jealousy:

Revelation 11:18 KJV
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Many pre-millennialist goal is to falsely create a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth at the return of Jesus Christ that doesn't exist in scripture

Many don't care about scripture that disproves their claims as false, it's my opinion that they really see the truth and ignore it, as if it dosent exist for the sake of their desired kingdom on this earth

IMHO many are in direct rebellion to the truth of God's words that are simple, clear, and easy to understand

Edited May 20 by truth7t7

[dad2]

16 minutes ago, Luther said:

I believe when we see the " wrath" of God in scripture, it always relates to the last day, Judgment Day, when the earth is literally destroyed by the fire of His jealousy:

Except the vials are wrath. Did you think that the wrath was finished by all those vials in a day?

Revelation 16:12

And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

In just this one vial we see that it is more than a day. The pouring out just prepares the way fro some kings to cross the river.

 

[Luther]

18 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Many pre-millennialist goal is to falsely create a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth at the return of Jesus Christ that doesn't exist in scripture

Many don't care about scripture that disproves their claims as false, it's my opinion that they really see the truth and ignore it, as if it dosent exist for the sake of their desired kingdom on this earth

IMHO many are in direct rebellion to the truth of God's words that are simple, clear, and easy to understand

I don't know if you are aware of this literal millennial reign teaching is a shared belief in judaism. It appears that over 150 years ago the church has been influenced to think the same way to help support their end time goals. ( Just putting it in general terms).

The goal of Judaism is not to have an eternal spiritual Kingdom but to continue to reign on this Earth and have control over it. This is an absolute fact according to their teachings. So I think the problem is with most Christians today is that they are more concerned with their goals than their own by supporting Israel.

So I think it's more than just not caring about the truth. It's more like being deceived.