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I can't figure this out for the life of me. Could someone in their own words please explain to me what someone must believe in order to be saved along with the appropriate verses from the Bible? Thank you so much.


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1 hour ago, z88 said:

I can't figure this out for the life of me. Could someone in their own words please explain to me what someone must believe in order to be saved along with the appropriate verses from the Bible? Thank you so much.

Believe the Whole Word of God because it's all about Jesus. Therefore, believe every word of the Bible. Not some of it. Not most of it. All of it. 


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1 hour ago, z88 said:

I can't figure this out for the life of me. Could someone in their own words please explain to me what someone must believe in order to be saved along with the appropriate verses from the Bible? Thank you so much.

Rom 10:5-13

5 For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them. 6 But the righteousness based on faith says, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?'" (that is, to bring Christ down) 7 or "'Who will descend into the abyss?'" (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame." 12  For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
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From reading in Romans, I think the major problem is that the words used to translate believe have more than just believe mixed in with the Greek meanings of that word.   Believing in/on him goes to the point that we put our well-being under his control.  Romans tells us we have to believe that God raised him from the dead, but you must confess with your mouth that Jesus us your Lord.  Putting yourself into his hands, and we are told that nothing can remove us from his hand.  There is much to confessing Jesus is Lord, though.  Then we must do as he has told us to do.  Repent, be baptized, Love God, Love our neighbors, wives submit to husbands, and husbands loving wives like he loves us.  

I ask if it was needed for your wife, would you be willing to let a dozen or so guys beat you half to death and hang you on a tree to die?

Yes there is much involved in declaring Jesus as Lord, and to add insult to injury, you really make Satan upset with you, and he tries to make us pay.c

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21 minutes ago, other one said:

Rom 10:5-13

5 For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them. 6 But the righteousness based on faith says, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?'" (that is, to bring Christ down) 7 or "'Who will descend into the abyss?'" (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame." 12  For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
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From reading in Romans, I think the major problem is that the words used to translate believe have more than just believe mixed in with the Greek meanings of that word.   Believing in/on him goes to the point that we put our well-being under his control.  Romans tells us we have to believe that God raised him from the dead, but you must confess with your mouth that Jesus us your Lord.  Putting yourself into his hands, and we are told that nothing can remove us from his hand.  There is much to confessing Jesus is Lord, though.  Then we must do as he has told us to do.  Repent, be baptized, Love God, Love our neighbors, wives submit to husbands, and husbands loving wives like he loves us.  

I ask if it was needed for your wife, would you be willing to let a dozen or so guys beat you half to death and hang you on a tree to die?

Yes there is much involved in declaring Jesus as Lord, and to add insult to injury, you really make Satan upset with you, and he tries to make us pay.c

Don't you have to believe on Jesus' name according to John 3:18 (KJV)? Does that mean Jesus' name is that he is Lord and that God raised him from the dead? I don't understand. I thought his name would be that he died to be the propitiation for our sins, but I guess this is not the case? I really don't understand.

John 3:18 (KJV)

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

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Oh wait, does John 3:18 mean you only have to believe in him through his name?


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14 minutes ago, z88 said:

Oh wait, does John 3:18 mean you only have to believe in him through his name?

what does believe in him mean?

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what does believe in him mean?

To simply believe in him. John 3:18 seems to say you must believe in his name though, but since Romans 10:9 says if you confess with your mouth "Jesus is Lord" and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you shall be saved I suppose his name might include that he is Lord and that God raised him from the dead (this is not clear from John afaik so I don't think this is what his name is) or that you must only believe in part of his name, or through his name, ie. believe in his name. This seems to be what things are saying, it also seems to be evidenced by that you must "believe on him" (John 3:18 KJV). Sorry if this was confusing.


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1 hour ago, z88 said:

To simply believe in him. John 3:18 seems to say you must believe in his name though, but since Romans 10:9 says if you confess with your mouth "Jesus is Lord" and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you shall be saved I suppose his name might include that he is Lord and that God raised him from the dead (this is not clear from John afaik so I don't think this is what his name is) or that you must only believe in part of his name, or through his name, ie. believe in his name. This seems to be what things are saying, it also seems to be evidenced by that you must "believe on him" (John 3:18 KJV). Sorry if this was confusing.

Maybe I'm just a little dense today, but it seems to me that you are overlooking the part about confessing Jesus as Lord.  Even if you look up the Greek Word that is translated, believe it::::

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NT:4100

NT:4100
<START GREEK>pisteu/w
<END GREEK> pisteuo (pist-yoo'-o); from NT:4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ):


KJV - believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

 

The Greek word is not us just saying Jesus is who he is, it's committing and putting our trust in Him.   In the Greek, believing in/on him is a bit more complex than English.   And it adds a bit of confusion between different verses when comparing them.

 


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6 hours ago, z88 said:

I can't figure this out for the life of me. Could someone in their own words please explain to me what someone must believe in order to be saved along with the appropriate verses from the Bible? Thank you so much.

Romans 10:9
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Since God raised Jesus from the dead (demonstrating power over death), we surrender our life to Jesus as our Lord (Master, Owner, God). By this sincere act of faith we are "saved".

Believing "in Jesus" and "in Jesus' name" are poetic ways of saying essentially the same thing. Our name is the representation of us.

Acts 4:12
Nor is there salvation in any other [
the Person], for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved. [the Name]

Furthermore, the name of Jesus (Hb. 'Yeshua') compounds God (Hb. 'Yahweh') and Saviour/Deliverer (Hb. 'yosha').

Matthew 1:21
And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.

 

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5 hours ago, z88 said:

I suppose his name might include that he is Lord and that God raised him from the dead (this is not clear from John afaik so I don't think this is what his name is) or that you must only believe in part of his name, or through his name, ie. believe in his name.

 

It actually gets quite deep with a word study Sister. The term name means so much more than just being a title, there is so much more to it. It includes the character of Jesus. What I suggest is spending some time at BlueLetterBible.org and look up how they use the term name in specific passages. 

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g3686/kjv/tr/0-1/

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