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What are the true names of the Father and the Son? Do you think it is important to know them?

"What is his name, and what is his son's name, If thou canst tell?" (Proverbs 30:4)


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do you mean the name of God ,God's name ?  in English ? 


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10 hours ago, Locust said:

do you mean the name of God ,God's name ?  in English ? 

"Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?" (Proverbs 30:1-4)

It is the King James Version, English. What is his name?

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1 hour ago, Live2believe said:

"Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?" (Proverbs 30:1-4)

It is the King James Version, English. What is his name?

King James Version, English, its  Jehovah 


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44 minutes ago, Live2believe said:

It is the King James Version, English. What is his name?

There are many variations that people prefer, and as many disputes, about how to translate His name in English. 

Many bible versions simply use LORD, to correspond with how the Jewish refer to Him, inserting it in place of the Hebrew spelling, יְהוָה, which is traditionally translated, letter for letter, as YHWH.

There are numerous ways people attempt to spell and/or pronounce His name, but typically this leads to disputes over who is right or wrong.

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5 minutes ago, Indentured Servant said:

There are many variations that people prefer, and as many disputes, about how to translate His name in English. 

Many bible versions simply use LORD, to correspond with how the Jewish refer to Him, inserting it in place of the Hebrew spelling, יְהוָה, which is traditionally translated, letter for letter, as YHWH.

There are numerous ways people attempt to spell and/or pronounce His name, but typically this leads to disputes over who is right or wrong.

ok but Live2believe did stipulate KJV  


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7 hours ago, Locust said:

ok but Live2believe did stipulate KJV  

True, KJV uses LORD, and in some editions, Jehovah.

I thought that was obvious, (unless someone doesn't have access to a copy of version in question), and that there must be more to the question than just confirming how it appears in the KJV.

I hope the intent of my response was not misunderstood.

 

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God the Father is Yahweh or Jehovah. God the Son is Jesus Christ.


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14 hours ago, Live2believe said:

What are the true names of the Father and the Son? Do you think it is important to know them?

"What is his name, and what is his son's name, If thou canst tell?" (Proverbs 30:4)

I believe that the entire modern idea that we must, can or should give a proper name to God is problematic to say the least. When God told Moses to tell Pharaoh to free the Israelites we read the following exchange in Exodus Chapter 3; 13And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. So God didn't give a proper name, only the cryptic "I am" or "I am that I am". This kinda sounds like God didn't want to be known by a human name.

It is in Exodus Chapter 6 where we first see the name that became Jehovah in English translations. There we read; 2And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD: 3And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. As noted in another reply, the Hebrew word that ended up being translated "Jehovah" was actually, when transliterated letter by letter, either YHWH or YHVH. Notice these words really have no definite pronunciation as they contain no vowels. Given the aforementioned “I am that I am”, it was a Jewish custom to never utter a name for God and many believe that is why the word itself is basically unpronounceable. The Latin Vulgate Bible of the 4th century translated YHWH as Dominus, simply meaning Lord.

So, how did YHWH or YHVH ever become Jehovah? It seems that’s quite a story. Early English translators expanded the word to “Yahweh”. Later English translators felt they had to have a name that was more English friendly. So, instead of transliterating the actual letters, they transposed the four constants YHWH with the vowels of another Hebrew word transliterated Adonai. The word Adonai was a more generic word that’s translated in most English bibles as Lord and was never meant to be a formal name for God himself. As a matter of fact there are several words in the Hebrew Scriptures to describe God that are not names for God. Among them in transliterated and translated version are, El Elyon (God Most High) Shaddai, (Almighty), Ehyeh, (I am) and Tzur, (Rock). There is also reference to YHWH Tzvaot meaning Lord of Hosts. Christ referred to God as "Abba" in Aramaic, an informal term for "father". Never did Christ use a name for God aside from Father or our Heavenly Father. Then there are the words “El” and “Elohim” which are often used to refer to gods other than the Almighty.

This conundrum is all the more baffling considering in most English versions of the Holy Bible the word Jehovah only appears 6-7 times. The exception to that rule is the New World Translation, a Bible published by the Watchtower Society of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. There it appears over 7000 times. (That is a Story for another day and time). At any rate, man’s attempts to name God with earthly names is not only futile but is evidence of man’s arrogance that he can define and name the Most Holy God.

As for the name of the son, His earthly given name was Jesus. Since Christians believe He is the Christ, He's also known by that name as well. I use them somewhat interchangeably unless the conversation dictates otherwise. I don't know that naming Christ is as much a conundrum as naming the Almighty!

 

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56 minutes ago, Indentured Servant said:

True, KJV uses LORD, and in some editions, Jehovah.

I thought that was obvious, (unless someone doesn't have access to a copy of version in question), and that there must be more to the question than just confirming how it appears in the KJV.

I hope the Internet of my response was not misunderstood.

 

I often go to see what different bibles say   https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=jehovah&version=KJV

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